to hate what Brexiters have done

[mrsmootoo]

I know this has been done before, but knowing that we are now likely on course for a No Deal Brexit in the midst of a pandemic I am so angry and upset about what Brexiters voted for. I'll forgive any who were conned and now think better of it, but I cannot get over the loss of Freedom of Movement to live and work in the EU - not so much for me, but for my children - and the way the UK is sliding in international standing economically and in attracting doctors, nurses, scientists etc. (I know from before that Leavers don't care what I think, but just had to post).

Well you would think it was not in Johnson and Co's interests to wreck the economy, but if they do, they can always do a bunk to their tax havens.

One day soon you'll thank us for voting out. Just the liabilities will be horrendous for this country. The EU need €750 billion they would like for us to pay a third. I don't think so.
We believe that we are better out than in. I don't understand people like you.

@Thornhill58

One day soon you'll thank us for voting out. Just the liabilities will be horrendous for this country. The EU need €750 billion they would like for us to pay a third. I don't think so. We believe that we are better out than in. I don't understand people like you.

If I ever thank leavers for their vote I expect to be committed very shortly thereafter.

I will never understand why anyone thinks the UK will be better off now they have left the EU. The economic, social and financial implications are going to destroy the country.

Brexit has now cost more t had we've paid into the EU since it was formed.

@Thornhill58

One day soon you'll thank us for voting out. Just the liabilities will be horrendous for this country. The EU need €750 billion they would like for us to pay a third. I don't think so. We believe that we are better out than in. I don't understand people like you.

Gosh isn't multiplication awful? Such an exaggeration tactic used by the media and the Leave campaign. Much prefer division- realistic. Not that this matters as we have left but your third of 750 billion works out around £11 a day per person in the UK and that's if we had to pay it all in one year.

Just like that Boris bus lie of 350 million a week- let's entertain that number though. That 350 million equals to approx £6 per head, per week, which is less than a coffee and a breakfast muffin at Starbucks. Quids in if you think of the benefits we were getting.

Of course the reality was 100 million less so really people were riled up for £4 a week or 60p a day!

@Thornhill58

One day soon you'll thank us for voting out. Just the liabilities will be horrendous for this country. The EU need €750 billion they would like for us to pay a third. I don't think so. We believe that we are better out than in. I don't understand people like you.

The sun will fail to rise and the oceans will dry before that happens. A complete misunderstanding of numbers. Propaganda buy in at its best.

The EC has a fragile economy because, of 27 member countries, fewer than half pay in money; the rest are using those contributions to develop. Brexit means that the second largest contributor to EU funding will stop paying contributions. Germany, the Netherlands and the other north European nations are not willing to fund the Mediterranean nation's party

You ve a bit of a downer on Mediterranean countries haven't you?

But lets look at this logically, the uk pays in net around 9 billion, Germany and France have a combined economy of of over 5 trillion, our contribution is about 8% of EU yearly budget, significant but not huge either.
By investing in poorer areas, the EU provides markets for for richer countries manufactured goods (like jaguar cars) new tourist areas and the EU can also insist on environmental policies, such as over 30 new treatment plants to clean up the Danube.

Also, the value of a nations currency is like the share price of a country, back in 1999 the £ would get you almost 1.6 euros, now its barely 1 and set to fall further still.

The UKs economy is based on services and asset prices, with huge inequalities and a terrible benefits system & as we go into some sort covid depression, i think we may well look across the channel with envy.
So much as we've done in regard to their health systems.

I sympathise with your points, but strangely the pandemic has taught me not to get so angry and passionate about Brexit.

I wouldn't have minded Brexit half as much if there had been a clear, competently drafted, costed plan of how to get it done. But it has been, and continues to be, a shambles.

It's pretty clear this Tory government is not competent - just look at the massive errors of judgement in dealing with the covid19 pandemic. And successive governments of all types have failed to come up with enduring solutions to big problems and challenges. You just have to look at the failure to sort out social care for the elderly, or pretty much ANY of the big IT projects the government has sponsored. Take Universal Credit, reasonable idea very poorly executed.

My main beef about Brexit has always been, we don't have the competence to make it successful. It is vast, complex and long-term. It is bound to be a frightful mess.

@Thornhill58

One day soon you'll thank us for voting out. Just the liabilities will be horrendous for this country. The EU need €750 billion they would like for us to pay a third. I don't think so. We believe that we are better out than in. I don't understand people like you.

TL;DR The end justifies the means

I know a lot of leaders from history who put their own people against a wall to shoot them (if they were lucky) who said that. Only not in English.

Where do I report for "re-education" ?

One day soon you'll thank us for voting out

Not a hope in hell

But i like the optimism

Can something built on shaky or no foundations ever be successful?
Cameron wanted a Referendum to shut the ERG up. There was no real appetite in the country for one, until it was whipped up by the Press. There was mounting anger about austerity, and with the rich being totally indifferent to its effects, a lack of political will to do anything about it. Those are the shaky or missing foundations I am talking about.

Where are we now? Well, we have just knocked the old house down but we still haven't quite cleared the rubble. Johnson assures us that his mate Donald is an ace builder, he will give us a palace. His mate Donald is as much of a spiv as he is. Still con men are always plausible, that is why they get away with it for so long.

One day soon you'll thank us for voting out

"Soon" as in geological terms? Because I can't see my kids, or their kids, thinking this was anything but a perfectly avoidable act of international stupidity.

Unless of course it DOES directly lead to Scottish Independence and the Break up of the UK (which it well may do) in which case I will thank you will all my heart.

"Soon" as in geological terms? Because I can't see my kids, or their kids, thinking this was anything but a perfectly avoidable act of international stupidity.

As far as I am aware the current unit of Brexit time is a "Mogg" which is half a century.

Presumably you can subdivide Moggs, so "soon" should be expressed in Moggs.

I'm guessing at least a half Mogg - 25 years - before anyone sees anything of value.

If Brexiteers aren't happy that the official unit of Brexit is a Mogg, they really should have piped up when he announced it. Doing so now might give the impression they weren't paying attention.

The accepted unit of Brexit currency, of course is the "DUP". So it is entirely possible to calculate the current cost (and rising) of Brexit in Mogg-DUPs, similar to kilowatt-hours for energy billing purposes.

But even Rees Mogg thinks it will take an entire Mogg. By which time I’ll be long dead and even my son will be anticipating a telegram from William V.

Or even George Vll.

I like it - even Mogg himself won't be around long enough to enjoy the benefits.

@Alsohuman

But even Rees Mogg thinks it will take an entire Mogg. By which time I’ll be long dead and even my son will be anticipating a telegram from William V.

The Monarchy will be long gone by then.

You think? I don’t.

One day soon you'll thank us for voting out

I hope so, because that will mean the UK isn't facing catastrophic ruin because of Brexit.
The UK should be at the heart of Europe, pushing for change and helping to deal with emerging threats, not drifting toward isolation.

Biggest UK foreign policy disaster ever, enacted by the Worlds 2nd worst leader, fortunately for Bojo the Clown, an even bigger wanker is in the White house.

One day soon you'll thank us for voting out

How will we know when to thank you ? I get a bit confused as to what we are supposed to be thanking you for ? On the one hand we are told that people voted for something that will make them worse off because they think the 'principle' of Brexit is more important than being ok financially, and on the other hand you are alluding to the population all being better off financially ? so if that's the case how and when will we know when to thank you , will there be an advert on the side of a bus to let us know ? Or won't the population be better off as a whole and we will just all come together in our hour of need sort of moment, and we will thank you for that warm fuzzy feeling, transient though it will be ?

This argument will never end.
If something good or bad happens, some will say "Just think how much better/worse it would've been if we'd stayed in."

@Disquieted1 don't be talking down the country with mention of bad things , there will be no bad things , only good things that may or may not involve being worse off financially that will make us thank all those who voted to leave the EU.

We will be able to compare ourselves to France and Germany. In two, five and ten years time, who will have the strongest economy? Who will have the highest life expectancy? Which country's children will be topping the education rankings? Who will have risen up the ranks of the where-to-be-born index, and who will have slid down?

We will know.

Yes we will but it won't convince anyone, tory spin will go into overdrive and there will be excuses made and believed.

Even as Johnson leads us to the one of the worlds worst Cv death rates, Tories are still ahead in the polls and around 52% think he is doing a great job.