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to hate what Brexiters have done

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mrsmootoo · 01/07/2020 08:39

I know this has been done before, but knowing that we are now likely on course for a No Deal Brexit in the midst of a pandemic I am so angry and upset about what Brexiters voted for. I'll forgive any who were conned and now think better of it, but I cannot get over the loss of Freedom of Movement to live and work in the EU - not so much for me, but for my children - and the way the UK is sliding in international standing economically and in attracting doctors, nurses, scientists etc. (I know from before that Leavers don't care what I think, but just had to post).

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Peregrina · 03/07/2020 09:23

I am certainly not rich and I don't think I know many who are really rich either! "Circle" was a shorthand for people I know or am acquainted with.

Some of the Brexit voters had no incentive to accept the status quo. Fine, but why vote for something worse? Why in heaven's name believe Johnson and Farage, both moneyed ex public schoolboys?

LilMissRe · 03/07/2020 09:26

But it's the poorest that will suffer the most- The rich always leave unscathed? So it makes no sense at all. The EU is not about rich people hopping over with there rich friends because they can afford it. Leaving disproportionately impacts the poorer people so if being pissed off was the reason they voted out- they've shot themselves in the foot.

Take Ebbw Vale for example- I used to work there last year and remember how angry they were- the area is so deprived and neglected. They kept trying to convince me that their problems were caused by the EU- instead of admitting that it was Westminster that was the real evil. Wales will suffer the most, and they'd be wrong to actually think Westminster will compensate for lost EU funding and think of them.

Another thought-If I was an an EU employer, would I want to hire a UK worker with the hassle that comes with moving around? Nerp. I'd probably hire anyone else but if I wanted to save money and paperwork. So effectively leave voters looking for work abroad in the EU have put themselves at a disadvantage.

derxa · 03/07/2020 09:28

Why in heaven's name believe Johnson and Farage, both moneyed ex public schoolboys? Because the other set of moneyed ex public schoolboys on the Remain side ran a terrible campaign. That's how democracy works.

Peregrina · 03/07/2020 09:30

Cameron of course couldn't admit that it was Westminster's fault, or the answer would have been 'What are you going to do about it'?

Peregrina · 03/07/2020 09:35

I will certainly grant that the moneyed ex public schoolboy Cameron ran a dismal campaign, and also failed to make the case for the EU. He couldn't really, when he had spent the last few years running it down. But apart from that, who were the moneyed ex public schoolboys running the Remain campaign? There is no one as visible as Farage and Johnson were - which of course, might have been the problem.

Cameron - the man who wanted to be PM because he thought he'd be good at it. I don't think history will agree somehow!

LilMissRe · 03/07/2020 09:36

The Remain Campaign was dreadful I admit. I just wish people looked at the facts themselves rather than focus on the slogans and soundbites. Failing to consider NI for quite a while during the process is testament as to how short sighted the politicians in this crash of a referendum were.
It was a lie, spun to take advantage of the British public. A completely unnecessary move. I think one day we'll take our blinkers off and finally see it for that.

Peregrina · 03/07/2020 09:41

And please Brexiters, don't tell me that the issue of NI didn't come up, because for me that was one reason for my Remain vote. I felt that peace in NI was much more important than giving Cameron a well deserved kick in the teeth.

Cameron must have very flexible joints because he kicked himself in the teeth.

Moonmelodies · 03/07/2020 09:43

In the last election only the LibDems promised to stop Brexit, so really we must also blame all the people who didn't vote for them. Those people ratified the Brexit vote.

derxa · 03/07/2020 09:47

But apart from that, who were the moneyed ex public schoolboys running the Remain campaign? George Osborne and most of the cabinet
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35616946

KenDodd · 03/07/2020 10:03

And please Brexiters, don't tell me that the issue of NI didn't come up

I've realised over the last few years that even if NI had been front and centre, it wouldn't have made any difference. I've yet to meet a Leave voter in England who gives a single shit about the peace in NI.

LaurieMarlow · 03/07/2020 10:04

I've yet to meet a Leave voter in England who gives a single shit about the peace in NI.

Yup 😔

Alsohuman · 03/07/2020 10:09

People who have 'circles' probably are rich enough and skilled enough to go where they want

We all have circles. It’s a well known term. What do you call the people you know.

Peregrina · 03/07/2020 10:11

Osborne and Cameron didn't have quite the same profile as Farage and Johnson though - people knew that they were public schoolboys who didn't give a shit about them. Why they thought Johnson and Farage were different is beyond me.

derxa · 03/07/2020 10:19

We all have circles. It’s a well known term. What do you call the people you know. I'm Scottish. We don't use 'circles' Grin

Andante57 · 03/07/2020 10:20

Peregrina do you hate all public school boys or just Tory ones?
What do you think of the old Etonian Archbish?

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 03/07/2020 10:20

I call them my friends...or sometimes on here ive said friendship groups

Or ‘people I know’

Not good with the words obviously 😀

RufustheRowlingReindeer · 03/07/2020 10:21

I don’t think using the word circles makes you rich though!

derxa · 03/07/2020 10:21

Why they thought Johnson and Farage were different is beyond me. They portray themselves as men of the people

LilMissRe · 03/07/2020 10:37

@derxa

Why they thought Johnson and Farage were different is beyond me. They portray themselves as men of the people
Exactly. In the same way Trump voters insist that Trump "knows exactly what THEY are going through" and is "one of them" and is fighting against the elite.

Totally misguided.

It's a really hard thing to comprehend- this Leave mess and mentality, but to me it's akin to when your friend insists on running off with the abusive prat she thinks is Adonis and refuses to see his many red flags, refuses to see she's going to get burned, insists she knows what she's doing, insists she's made up her mind and blames you for not believing in her even though you've shown her what he has done, you've shown her that he was selling her a dream- you've got to sit back and pray you are wrong

Peregrina · 03/07/2020 10:46

Do I hate all public schoolboys or just ones who are Tory? I a) try not to hate anyone, and b) of those public schoolboys I know, it depends on their behaviour. If their behaviour is shitty then they probably are shits, and it doesn't make it OK really because they never forgot their Granny's birthday.

The old Etonian Archbishop - how well does his behaviour reflect Christian values?

BaileysforBreakfast · 03/07/2020 10:49

In the last election only the LibDems promised to stop Brexit, so really we must also blame all the people who didn't vote for them. Those people ratified the Brexit vote.
What nonsense. In our first past the post system the LibDems had about as much chance of forming a government as the Brexit Party did. In a general election, people don't like to feel they're 'wasting' their vote, so tend to stick to the two major parties, often voting for the one they see as 'least worst'. It's high time we had some form of proportional representation, which invariably leads to us being governed by a party that the majority of people did NOT vote for, even thought that party got the largest vote share.

Andante57 · 03/07/2020 11:46

It's high time we had some form of proportional representation,

In 2011 there was a referendum on this in which 67.90% voted to keep the status quo.
Baileys how often should referenda on this subject should be held?

Alsohuman · 03/07/2020 11:52

@Andante57

It's high time we had some form of proportional representation,

In 2011 there was a referendum on this in which 67.90% voted to keep the status quo.
Baileys how often should referenda on this subject should be held?

Never, according to leavers. Although they were quite happy to deprive me of what I voted for in 1975.
Peregrina · 03/07/2020 11:59

It wasn't a referendum on PR - it was an Alternative vote system, which is not PR.

If we did have PR there is more than one system available although STV is usually the one that most people would think of and it would have to be explained properly to the general public.

SheWranglesRugRats · 03/07/2020 12:01

A lot of people on mumsnet claimed they’d leave the country if Leave won - I’d be interested to know how many did. Very few I'll bet.

I'm a member of a FB group for people looking to move to the European country I live in. We get at least 4 or 5 posts every day from people looking to settle in just this country because of Brexit.