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To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic

730 replies

Redolent · 27/06/2020 23:09

AIBU to think is probably the part of the coronavirus pandemic that will lead to WTF reactions in future history books? A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

European countries have just gone through months of brutal economic and social lockdowns, with the goal of suppressing the virus. They’ve just experienced, at a huge cost, what it’s like to have the virus slowly and imperceptibly land within their borders via air travel.

And yet, just as the virus starts circulating at low levels, they all decide to open up their borders to each other again, in these supposedly safe ‘air corridors’. Enroute to their destinations, their citizens flock to public transport, then to busy airports and planes, where they sit for hours in the midst of other passengers, then on to their destinations, where they mix with other citizens coming in from all over the world too, in social and alcohol-fuelled conditions. In the meantime, governments - like the UK - have vowed that any outbreaks in other countries will mean that returning tourists may have to suddenly quarantine for two weeks upon their return home. It’s a panicked and volatile strategy, subject to a monitoring of the spread of the virus in multiple other countries. Of course it’s bound to go wrong.

TLDR: close the borders. Internationalism can wait.

OP posts:
mrpumblechook · 02/07/2020 10:36

The country I live in are still demanding 14-day quarantine for Brits and no sign of that changing any time soon.

I don't blame them. Even if British people are allowed in some countries I wonder how much local people will welcome them. Maybe hotels will (at least initially) but the wider public may not be so happy.

MarshaBradyo · 02/07/2020 10:38

Stealm yep. I do wonder how hyped up that increase in demand was because it was premature to book without the reciprocal arrangement agreed. If people have to Aus for example they will be very disappointed.

BackInTime · 02/07/2020 10:57

@stealm Deeply irresponsible leaks by the government in desperate attempts to have some positive spin in the news headlines. Sad thing is many have taken this as fact and booked trips without having the full facts.

Travellingmummy03 · 03/07/2020 10:10

So we are due to go to Ibiza in two weeks for 3 nights with friends. It is our first child free break. Travelling restrictions have been lifted and our holiday hasn’t been cancelled. I am totally torn as to whether we should go. We will probably lose our money if we don’t but is it worth the risk?

Cartesiandebt · 03/07/2020 10:20

There were 208,000 confirmed new cases worldwide yesterday - a new record.

Dozens and dozens of flights are arriving at European airports like FRA, CDG & LHR from the US and some of the other affected countries every day.

Why would you choose to travel unnecessarily at the moment? It's insane.

mbosnz · 03/07/2020 10:34

I kind of feel making this unilateral announcement, again without consultation with relevant and concerned parties (such as the other nations' leaders), has made the UK's Government look foolish, arrogant, out of touch and inept.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 03/07/2020 10:40

Why would you choose to travel unnecessarily at the moment? It's insane.

And are we choosing to let everybody in, no tests, just the half arsed quarantine attempt.

B9008 · 03/07/2020 10:42

@Travellingmummy03

Personally I would say it is not worth the risk for 3 days. When Spain locked down last time, they did it very swiftly and it could leave you stranded. If your children are at home I think that is too risky.

Extraordinarymagic · 03/07/2020 10:46

Unfortunately Ireland are on the Uk safe list of where to travel but your rates are so much higher than ours now. Our numbers now provide breakdown of where the cases are coming from and over half are from people travelling in so it’s definitely contributing to the spread and no doubt a second wave here at some stage if numbers pick up.

Why can everyone just not stay put for one bloody year and I say this as someone who usually goes abroad x3 times a year.

It’s pure selfishness and entitlement.

notimagain · 03/07/2020 10:48

Dozens and dozens of flights are arriving at European airports like FRA, CDG & LHR from the US and some of the other affected countries every day.

Pops up to point out, for the n'th time, to try and provide some proportion that the vast majority of those flights, especially into LHR, especially from the States, are only carrying freight and have empty passenger cabins or are carrying freight cargo in the passenger cabin rather than people..

mrpumblechook · 03/07/2020 11:09

Anyone booking a holiday in the moment is by definition a risk taker. They are not only at high risk of coronavirus (due to travelling with other risk takers) but if there is any curtailment of their travel or they are isolated in a hotel or holiday accommodation they are unlikely to be covered by insurance. Anyone willing to risk that would probably be willing to risk flying if a bit ill.

RuddyP · 03/07/2020 11:16

@notimagain That hasn't been my experience. They can't mix cargo and passengers and the flights landing from NYC and Boston have most definitely had passengers and lots of them but no cargo.

Parker231 · 03/07/2020 11:20

We are going to Canada and Belgium to visit DH’s and my family Can’t wait to see them.

jessstan2 · 03/07/2020 11:23

I think you're right, Redolent.

Cartesiandebt · 03/07/2020 11:27

Pops up to point out, for the n'th time, to try and provide some proportion that the vast majority of those flights, especially into LHR, especially from the States, are only carrying freight and have empty passenger cabins or are carrying freight cargo in the passenger cabin rather than people.

I find that hard to believe. Friends of mine flew to Rome from the US this week. If someone, for example, traveling from Chicago to London wants to book a flight for tomorrow, look at how many options there currently are:

skyscanner.net/transport/flights/chia/lond/200704/200720/?adultsv2=1&childrenv2=&cabinclass=economy&rtn=1&preferdirects=false&outboundaltsenabled=false&inboundaltsenabled=false&preferflexible=false

Cartesiandebt · 03/07/2020 11:28

We are going to Canada and Belgium to visit DH’s and my family Can’t wait to see them.

Sorry, but you sound like an entitled idiot.

Parker231 · 03/07/2020 11:30

Why? Travel is allowed and why shouldn’t we be able to see your families

Cartesiandebt · 03/07/2020 11:36

Why? Travel is allowed and why shouldn’t we be able to see your families

I rest my case.

notimagain · 03/07/2020 11:43

They can't mix cargo and passengers

Not in the cabin, not AFAIK at the moment.. though to stop any misconceptions and rumours starting as a general point plenty of cargo travels in the holds even with passengers in the cabin - both at the moment and back in " normal" times (I do know you probably know that).

I'm not sure where "you are" so to speak but aside from the rump of a passenger service we are operating multiple "freighter" flights daily with zero passengers, into LHR which to the general public will look like passenger flights if they look on Flightradar and some internet arrivals "boards".

Looking specifically at the States and without giving anything away I shouldn't I can offer I'm consistently seeing very low passenger figures on the one flight per day from JFK to LHR that our airline still sells tickets on ( there's still a need for repatriation/essential travel), other flights from JFK (and there still one or two in addition to that passenger service) are most definitely freighters only ..it's similar deal for BOS..

It's certainly nothing close to business with usual with us, certainly not on Long Haul, certainly with regard to the States, maybe other airlines are having more luck?

notimagain · 03/07/2020 11:52

example, traveling from Chicago to London wants to book a flight for tomorrow, look at how many options there currently are:

Did you filter out the codeshares..?

There's no doubt the situation in terms of flights being sold is improving, I'm not looking to start an argument I was just hoping to offer a bit of info from what I have actually been seeing with my own eyes.

MajesticWhine · 03/07/2020 11:55

I sort of agree with the OP - however I have paid £1400 deposit for my holiday and now it will probably go ahead so I'm not super keen to cancel it.

notimagain · 03/07/2020 12:05

"Did you filter out the codeshares..?"

To amplify..at a very quick look it appears as most if not all of the non-stop ORD-LHR tickets all actually feed a single flight, a United with an 1820 departure.

The Aer Lingus that frequently pops up on the search is a ORD-Dublin.

There are plenty of ORD-LHR ticketing options but very few aircraft. service.

PrincessGeorge · 03/07/2020 12:29

Parker231, you do know there is a very strict quarantine in effect in Canada? Straight to your place of quarantine , no contact with others, have to completely stay inside for 14 days.

getsomehelp · 03/07/2020 12:43

Here's an eye-opener,
my nephew lives in Vancouver, he had to go to the USA for his work, when he returned, he had to isolate for 2 weeks or risk a fine of up to 1 million dollars and/or 3 years in jail!

AnneOfQueenSables · 03/07/2020 12:50

No modern civilised country can stomach a collapse of its healthcare system. And another lockdown would be devastating
Yy I agree OP .
It's short-termism - this Government's speciality - to think international holidays will help the economy rather than make long-term recovery more difficult.
I'm quite heartened by the responses on here. And in RL, I don't know anyone who is planning on leaving the UK. In fact, we're in Scotland and I don't know anyone who is planning to leave Scotland. Likewise my friends in England, aren't planning to leave England. And we all usually travel a lot but everyone is judging that the risk is just too great atm.