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To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic

730 replies

Redolent · 27/06/2020 23:09

AIBU to think is probably the part of the coronavirus pandemic that will lead to WTF reactions in future history books? A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

European countries have just gone through months of brutal economic and social lockdowns, with the goal of suppressing the virus. They’ve just experienced, at a huge cost, what it’s like to have the virus slowly and imperceptibly land within their borders via air travel.

And yet, just as the virus starts circulating at low levels, they all decide to open up their borders to each other again, in these supposedly safe ‘air corridors’. Enroute to their destinations, their citizens flock to public transport, then to busy airports and planes, where they sit for hours in the midst of other passengers, then on to their destinations, where they mix with other citizens coming in from all over the world too, in social and alcohol-fuelled conditions. In the meantime, governments - like the UK - have vowed that any outbreaks in other countries will mean that returning tourists may have to suddenly quarantine for two weeks upon their return home. It’s a panicked and volatile strategy, subject to a monitoring of the spread of the virus in multiple other countries. Of course it’s bound to go wrong.

TLDR: close the borders. Internationalism can wait.

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Her1mum · 30/06/2020 08:37

Being in a crowded airport while trying to maintain distance from people, and then having to sit on a plane with them does not sound at all appealing. It's just not worth the risk. We've booked a week in a self catering cottage in Devon and really looking forward to it as it seems much less risky.

LaurieMarlow · 30/06/2020 08:38

If there was ever a year to embrace domestic holidays it’s this one.

Parker231 · 30/06/2020 08:39

I imagine some holiday locations in the UK are going to be busier this summer than where we are going to in the Dordogne.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 30/06/2020 08:39

pigeon until the 15th July.
Please keep up.

Whatafustercluck · 30/06/2020 08:42

We're driving to France and taking a ferry and wearing face masks. The area we're going to is not badly hit and we've been incredibly sensible throughout this - stayed away from busy spots, done as we've been told to do. Even now non essential shops are open we've not rushed to them. We have stuck to 2m rules whenever out and about and hand sanitised to within an inch of our lives. Encouraging people to holiday in the uk will result in more of the overcrowding we've been seeing on uk beaches. Our holiday accommodation is self contained, it's an open air holiday and likely to be much less busy than day trips/ holidays in the uk. We booked and paid deposit back in January and have asked to delay final payment till 5th July to take in the latest government advice. If we are given the go ahead, and France wants us, we will be going and sticking to the same rules we have over here.

pigeon999 · 30/06/2020 08:43

dulra I agree the economic argument is winning for now but it will backfire, because the travelling and moving around will simply offer a perfect breeding ground for the virus to spread again.

Countries will be forced into total lockdowns again, therefore decapitating the whole economy, and not just the travel sector. It is madness. I am not an economist but anyone can see the serious risks involved in restarting the holiday season this year. To all of us not just those that are travelling.

pigeon999 · 30/06/2020 08:44

livin it is being reviewed on the 15th of July, to be decided based on the numbers of Covid here.

MarshaBradyo · 30/06/2020 08:46

Poverty also kills but no one here gives much of a shit about that because you cant sneeze poverty onto someone.

Obviously everyone wants Greece to keep its livelihood. If it could do so from countries with low infection all the better. At 191 deaths they are yet to experience a wave such as other European countries. It’ll be very hard to do so even after summer tourism.

Very hard decision, I feel for them.

pigeon999 · 30/06/2020 08:48

What France have 216 clusters currently of covid, and they are operating a traffic light system region by region.
What happens if you arrive and it is red and they are on a complete lockdown? Or worse still you end up travelling through a region and are unable to leave? Have you thought through what happens if you are stranded or ill? Are you insured?
What happens if the UK goes into complete lockdown whilst you are away, are you prepared to stay there for the foreseeable until things are under control again?

You make it sound simple, we will just poodle down to France and all will be good with the gite - when the reality could not be further from the truth.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 30/06/2020 08:56

pigeon I know, but your blanket "Greece have decided to keep brits out" sounds like a permanent move, whereas it's a more fluid situation. I was just correcting that.

pigeon999 · 30/06/2020 09:00

livin I am sorry to say that our infection rate is not falling now, it has flatlined, and worse still many scientists believe we will see an increase in the next few days/weeks.

I wish it was different, I wish were still able to go and enjoy our holidays and be carefree for a few weeks, but this is not going to happen.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/28/britain-coronavirus-knife-edge-says-sage-advisor-spike-infections/

hammeringinmyhead · 30/06/2020 09:02

I wish people would stop linking to articles that are behind a paywall.

Whatafustercluck · 30/06/2020 09:04

@pigeon999 but that's a level of risk we've decided we are happy with as things currently stand. We will continue to assess the local situation until the time we're supposed to go and if its deteriorated we have had confirmation from the place we are staying that that they will offer us a credit for next year of we decide not to travel - likewise the ferry company. We have our eyes open and will do the right thing come the end of July. As for travelling through - well, with a UK holiday that's a risk too isn't it, given the news about Leicester.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 30/06/2020 09:05

All Countries are opening Because they want tourism money

I can’t see them suddenly locking down and trapping thousands of non resident people

If cases spike it will be managed as stranded people benefits no one

stellakent · 30/06/2020 09:12

I normally take any article from the Standard with a pinch of salt. It's a rag these days. However nowhere in the article does it talk about the risks of international travel.

hammeringinmyhead · 30/06/2020 09:13

@Thisisworsethananticpated

All Countries are opening Because they want tourism money

I can’t see them suddenly locking down and trapping thousands of non resident people

If cases spike it will be managed as stranded people benefits no one

But who wants to have to be "managed" 2 days into a sunny week in Menorca?
BriarNorth · 30/06/2020 09:14

YANBU. We were supposed to be going to Rhodes in the next couple of weeks. I’m 12w with my first baby and we were panicking because the company we had booked through were refusing to give us any information about cancellation, simply saying they were waiting on government advice (presumably these stupid “air bridges”). Thankfully it has been cancelled and we will get our money refunded, but it’s a strange place to be in when you actually don’t want to go on holiday! Staycation only for us for the forseeable!

Redolent · 30/06/2020 09:15

@Thisisworsethananticpated

All Countries are opening Because they want tourism money

I can’t see them suddenly locking down and trapping thousands of non resident people

If cases spike it will be managed as stranded people benefits no one

But how else do you think they will manage a spike in cases other than quarantining the affected area?

This is what has been done so far in Germany, Italy, Spain,…

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Emmie12345 · 30/06/2020 10:20

I think the way infections are going in the Uk currently and with Leicester in lockdown, no countries will want to airbridge with us

pigeon999 · 30/06/2020 10:21

I feel so much for people like you briar we also have friends with booked and paid for holidays that are now forced between losing the money or having to go even when they don't want to go.

Is there any way you can change the dates to next year? Or ask them to give you a partial refund. If you are pregnant surely they will be reasonable and understand your concerns at the very least.

pigeon999 · 30/06/2020 10:25

what will you also be staying away from friends and family and the workplace once you have returned for a few weeks?

Of course it is a matter for you if you are content with the levels of risk that are undertaking driving across France, but you have to give others the option of also not taking on your risk. Fine for you to be exposed if that is what you wish, but certainly not fair to put others at risk for the sake of your holiday.

RuddyP · 30/06/2020 10:32

It's ludicrous. We have friends going to the Us to Florida for the summer because they have family there who can look after the kids. Because they don't have childcare they are flying back two days before term starts and will be sending the kids straight in....

pigeon999 · 30/06/2020 10:44

ruddy really? So this is the problem. Your child then becomes infected, who then sees granny for the weekend, and all the suffering and deaths restart all over again.

I am genuinely furious with this government if they go ahead with this idea.

Everyone should be made to quarantine by law for fourteen days after travel no matter where they have been to rule out any chance of transmission.
If everyone and his dog goes on holiday this summer and we see a huge spike again then the schools will not reopen, no one will be going back to work. We will be back to square one in a full lockdown.

Fine to travel overseas and out yourself at risk, but you don't then get to infect everyone else on your return.

pigeon999 · 30/06/2020 10:44

*put