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To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic

730 replies

Redolent · 27/06/2020 23:09

AIBU to think is probably the part of the coronavirus pandemic that will lead to WTF reactions in future history books? A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

European countries have just gone through months of brutal economic and social lockdowns, with the goal of suppressing the virus. They’ve just experienced, at a huge cost, what it’s like to have the virus slowly and imperceptibly land within their borders via air travel.

And yet, just as the virus starts circulating at low levels, they all decide to open up their borders to each other again, in these supposedly safe ‘air corridors’. Enroute to their destinations, their citizens flock to public transport, then to busy airports and planes, where they sit for hours in the midst of other passengers, then on to their destinations, where they mix with other citizens coming in from all over the world too, in social and alcohol-fuelled conditions. In the meantime, governments - like the UK - have vowed that any outbreaks in other countries will mean that returning tourists may have to suddenly quarantine for two weeks upon their return home. It’s a panicked and volatile strategy, subject to a monitoring of the spread of the virus in multiple other countries. Of course it’s bound to go wrong.

TLDR: close the borders. Internationalism can wait.

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rookiemere · 30/06/2020 15:22

Who are these people flying and are they allowed to fly- I thought you couldn't due to FCO ?

stellakent · 30/06/2020 15:48

I seriously doubt that anyone is travelling to the US for a holiday. The visa waiver scheme is currently suspended and a visa wouldn't be granted for a holiday. Aside from other restrictions on UK citizens entering. It's not happening.

Parker231 · 30/06/2020 15:49

You have been able to fly throughout subject to flight availability. It would be against FCO advice which would invalidate travel insurance. I imagine those who have continued to fly have done so for family emergencies and essential work.

Walkaround · 30/06/2020 16:04

@pigeon999 - re your rather weird and patronising post of earlier telling me to “keep up”, I was and am fully aware that Greece has decided to keep people travelling from the UK out for now. That was my point - it’s not for you to tell British people you don’t think they should travel overseas. It’s for the countries they might travel to to decide. I have little to no respect for your opinions on what is best for the Greek people.

Parker231 · 30/06/2020 16:04

The good news is that Canada is on the list so we can visit DH’s parents.

Walkaround · 30/06/2020 16:22

Fwiw, my personal preference is to stay at home this summer - I have no more desire to holiday in the UK than overseas, as I wouldn’t feel particularly relaxed about it and wouldn’t enjoy it if I couldn’t visit the local attractions, eat out and swim in the pool when I wanted. I’m not going to waste my time moralising to others, though, as though I am wiser and better than the rest of the world.

mrpumblechook · 30/06/2020 16:23

@LivinLaVidaLoki

Greece are not letting anyone from the UK visit

Until the 15th July.

Haris Theoharis has made it clear that he welcomes tourism from the UK. He has made this clear to both the UK and to Greece.

Greece are also on the list for travel corridors.

They have just said that they won't let people visit before that date but that doesn't mean that they will be able to visit afterwards. Presumably they will review UK infection rates at that point and decide. I somehow doubt they will be any better than they are now though so I wouldn't assume they will allow visitors from that date.
oblada · 30/06/2020 16:35

Did someone on here say they were going to the Isle of Wight instead of foreign holidays? It's now listed as one of the potential place for a local lockdown so maybe not such a bright idea lol

pigeon999 · 30/06/2020 16:43

I think you misunderstand me walk I am genuinely trying to understand why anyone would take a holiday overseas now. I can understand those wishing to see family, just about, but to take so many risks just to be stuck in a very hot place with potentially no pool and masked restaurants, and all the risks of spreading or catching the virus. I am trying to see why anyone in their right mind would book and actually pay to do that.

You are right there is an element of morality about this situation, because other people depend on us to do the right thing. Other people could die, so there definitely is a question about whether it is ethical to travel for a holiday at this time. Of course there is.

LivinLaVidaLoki · 30/06/2020 16:49

On the 22 June infection fell below 1000 @pigeon999
There have only been 2 days since then where it has been over 1000
22 Jun 958
23rd 874
24th 652
25th 1118
26th 1006
27th 890
28th 901
29th 815
30th 689

notimagain · 30/06/2020 16:51

Who are these people flying and are they allowed to fly- I thought you couldn't due to FCO ?

The FCO advice is not and does not stop people flying into or out of the UK..as has been said it may however invalidate travel insurance.

Essential workers and some other categories of travellers (e.g; transport workers, diplomats, some medical professionals) have been able to fly into/out of the country throughout the UK's lockdown period.

I am another one puzzled about the claims of some travelling to the US for holidays - were they US nationals by any chance ? I know a small number of Brits who perform essential work (e.g. airline crew) have been in and out of the US recently but only whilst on duty, certainly not for holidays - as stellakent has pointed out obtaining visas for entry to the States for leisure purposes is AFAIK still far from being possible.

BackInTime · 30/06/2020 17:16

Personally don't understand the 'Im going on holidays no matter what' thinking. Work colleague feels it's too dangerous to go be in in a very safe socially distanced office even for an hour but is fully intent on flying to Spain in a few weeks. People who feel that schools are still not safe but a package holiday to a busy resort abroad is perfectly acceptable.HmmI am not really worried about catching the virus abroad but I am worried about being caught up in a sudden quarantine or lockdown situation which becomes more likely as people start to travel. I do not want to be one of those idiots on Sky news or GMB telling my sorry tale of woe and expecting the taxpayer to rescue me.

Walkaround · 30/06/2020 17:38

@pigeon999 - there is little in the way of morality involved, unless you are planning on sending the money you would have spent holidaying in Greece this year to the places where you would have spent the money were it not for the pandemic, otherwise all you are doing is making a unilateral decision about the best way to make them suffer.

Walkaround · 30/06/2020 17:41

Which is why I am leaving morality out of it! If Greece feels at any ooint it needs and wants British tourists, I’m not going to moralise to those who take Greece up on the offer, provided they take all the precautions expected by the host country when they go there.

oblada · 30/06/2020 18:30

Pigeon999 - I'm glad you 'just about' understand the wish to see relatives we have not seen in 6 to 12months... otherwise for holidays - why not? Masks in restaurants would only be required when you walk in until you get to your table - what's the major hassle?? And pools - why not? In France and Spain many places have private pools so what's not to like? My parents have a massive house with a big swimming pool and they live in an area that has been barely affected by Covid-19 and not majorly touristy either. If we could go now we would. As it stands I cannot go as I am heavily pregnant but hopefully my older children will be able to go for a couple of weeks with my parents. They bloody deserve it after being cooped up at home for 3+ months.

rayn · 30/06/2020 18:58

All these people going on holiday. It is not just about catching covid. The risk probably is lower in France, Spain. However, as others have said do you really want to be stuck in a situation in which you can't get home and have to quarantine? The place you are going may go into lockdown. Worse still your home town and you can't get back.
Things are so tenuous at the moment. Leicester went on lockdown quickly and other places may follow!

Coronabegone · 30/06/2020 19:05

@pigeon999 the infection rate is falling, is there a reason you're in such utter denial and intent on preaching to people who wish to holiday.

You're not the moral or COVID police and thank god a good amount of people are ignoring you.

Have you seen today's figure is 689, that's a huge reduction isn't it? A real positive?

UmbrellaHat · 30/06/2020 19:30

I do think people are mad to be going not because of catching the virus but because of the hassle with masks and yes the risk of being caught up in a sudden lockdown so where and forced to pay a fortune to stay in accommodation.

Housemum · 01/07/2020 14:14

I see the logic for not travelling but if there is an agreement between here and France I will still go. We are driving so the ferry is the only public transport, and we know what their assurances have been re reduced capacity and staying in your booked seat or cabin/socially distancing in public areas. We are going to a rural self catering place we have been to before, if we can’t go to towns and cafés that isn’t an issue as we have a private pool and we will cater for ourselves as we usually do. We know the owners so if we need to get food delivered they can sort that. I see no more risk, possibly less risk, than going to a UK resort

3cats · 01/07/2020 22:52

All these people going on holiday. It is not just about catching covid.

Surely, the biggest risk is to the people where you are staying?

I know someone who lives fairly rurally and her son came to visit them from London. Luckily he didn't pass it on to anyone, but he got quite sick when he was there and it caused a lot of problems with the neighbors who are mostly elderly.

I'm really shocked to hear that people in a small town in France really want Brits coming and staying. My parents live in a touristy place and the locals have been pretty upset about people coming from the cities to visit.

MarshaBradyo · 02/07/2020 08:04

Situation seems to have changed

Long list of countries which will be dropped from U.K. quarantine but not reciprocal so eg Aus and NZ probably on it but if you go you will still have to quarantine there

BackInTime · 02/07/2020 08:10

It's all very well Boris declaring we can travel to these countries but that does not necessarily mean that they want us to visit or if we do there may be quarantine or other restrictions. I suspect the delayed announcement is due a issues with getting reciprocal agreements with some countries thinking that perhaps Greece is sensible to be more cautious.

MarshaBradyo · 02/07/2020 08:15

Back announced this morning.

He can’t get reciprocity. So just a long list instead.

Cartesiandebt · 02/07/2020 09:27

They have had a big outbreak in Melbourne this week thanks to people arriving from overseas & spreading it to workers in the hotels they were quarantining in.

Countries like Greece would have to be utterly desperate to accept visitors from the U.K. Just because it may be possible/ legal to travel does not make it appropriate to do so.

stealm · 02/07/2020 10:13

Long list of countries which will be dropped from U.K. quarantine but not reciprocal so eg Aus and NZ probably on it but if you go you will still have to quarantine there

This is exactly what I was saying way back when he first started talking about the air bridges and the green countries and lots of people booked holidays straightaway and I got my head ripped off by other posters for pointing this out. Being negative etc... negotiations were underway...Boris would sort it etc.
The country I live in are still demanding 14-day quarantine for Brits and no sign of that changing any time soon.