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To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic

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Redolent · 27/06/2020 23:09

AIBU to think is probably the part of the coronavirus pandemic that will lead to WTF reactions in future history books? A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

European countries have just gone through months of brutal economic and social lockdowns, with the goal of suppressing the virus. They’ve just experienced, at a huge cost, what it’s like to have the virus slowly and imperceptibly land within their borders via air travel.

And yet, just as the virus starts circulating at low levels, they all decide to open up their borders to each other again, in these supposedly safe ‘air corridors’. Enroute to their destinations, their citizens flock to public transport, then to busy airports and planes, where they sit for hours in the midst of other passengers, then on to their destinations, where they mix with other citizens coming in from all over the world too, in social and alcohol-fuelled conditions. In the meantime, governments - like the UK - have vowed that any outbreaks in other countries will mean that returning tourists may have to suddenly quarantine for two weeks upon their return home. It’s a panicked and volatile strategy, subject to a monitoring of the spread of the virus in multiple other countries. Of course it’s bound to go wrong.

TLDR: close the borders. Internationalism can wait.

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notimagain · 27/06/2020 23:53

The economies need the money and it's as simple as that.

Yes it is.

The UK tour operators/ airlines need to get things moving again otherwise there will be massive redundancies..It's a cost Vs. benefits "thing"....I take all those here clamouring for continued travel bans TFN, regardless of the evidence, is Ok with the idea of staying at home but paying a lot more tax???

As for the much lauded NZ...it's all very well applauding a total lockdown but how long do people think their economy can avoid a major major recession without the tourist dollar (Aussie, American, your choice) coming in...

Long term complete, total, isolationist lockdown is for idealists who don't have to make a living in the modern world (.sorry, was that a bit blunt?)

eaglejulesk · 28/06/2020 00:05

I can’t understand why people are being encouraged to book holidays to Australia when our govt is saying no international flights for another year!

Especially as the Australian borders aren't even open to NZ and the Pacific yet.

As for the much lauded NZ...it's all very well applauding a total lockdown but how long do people think their economy can avoid a major major recession without the tourist dollar (Aussie, American, your choice) coming in...

I think you will find that the NZ economy was in much better shape to begin with than the UKs - and people in NZ are spending money in their own tourist resorts at present, unlike so many on MN who seem to not want to holiday in their own country.

Jeremyironsnothing · 28/06/2020 00:06

As the meme says

It doesn't mean it's safe. It just means there is room in intensive care for you.

BumbleBeen · 28/06/2020 00:07

The problem with hoping everyone will holiday in the UK is that there simply isn't capacity for everyone here. The UK holiday destinations will be creaking under the pressure, so although I completely agree with you OP - part of me will be glad if 1000s of them do go abroad rather than swarming over Cornwall and the Lake District.

ilovesooty · 28/06/2020 00:07

So yesterday @Redolent you were telling us that schools wouldn't be back in September. Today you're telling us that if we want to go away we should holiday in the UK.

I am tired of people trying to tell me what I should and shouldn't do. I have followed the guidance to the letter. I work for myself and have barely left the house in three months. If I'm not going against advice, if my plane is flying and the country I'm planning to travel to is happy to welcome me I will be going and I certainly won't be guilt tripped by Internet randoms.

I don't believe people should be congregating in mass gatherings but people being locked in their own private little bubbles for ever simply isn't sustainable.

ssd · 28/06/2020 00:08

I hardly go near asda never mind fucking Spain.

People are stupid. And the government encourages them. Make if that what you will.

Pukkatea · 28/06/2020 00:10

I'm unsure about it as well, but at the end of the day, my family are from Spain, all were employed in a tourist town in hospitality and every single one (dozens) lost their jobs when Spain went into lockdown. They are desperate for the tourists to come back.

AdoptedBumpkin · 28/06/2020 00:10

I agree, it also won't help the European economy if a lot of countries need to lock down again.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 28/06/2020 00:11

Well the alternative is everyone who works in travel being made redundant.

I'm still hoping to go on the city break I've got booked for the end of August.

catspyjamas123 · 28/06/2020 00:16

I won’t be going - it just seems too much hassle. What if there’s another lockdown and quarantine? Won’t be having a staycation either - hol accommodation here doesn’t seem worth it. I’ll stay at home and have days out for walks.

LemonTT · 28/06/2020 00:26

I dare say that if you have enough money to afford a nice big villa with its own pool located in a scenic fishing village, the holiday could be relatively safe.

But the big resorts make their money from packing them in and piling them high in low cost accommodation. It’s volume that makes the money. Be that in hotel bars, or restaurants. Young adults will catch it and spread it, probably to the reps and staff. Middle and old aged people will die from it.

The whole thought gives me the ick and that was before CV.

HannahStern · 28/06/2020 00:28

I think you will find that the NZ economy was in much better shape to begin with than the UKs - and people in NZ are spending money in their own tourist resorts at present, unlike so many on MN who seem to not want to holiday in their own country.

The NZ economy will take a huge hit in comparison to other counties with an 8.9% drop in GDP. This is high in comparison to other countries. (Australia -4.1%, Korea -1.2%, Germany -6.6%)

It won't be as bad as here - the UK is forecast to be the economy most badly hit at 11.5% drop in GDP.

feesh · 28/06/2020 00:30

The U.K. never shut its borders and flights have been arriving daily from all over the world (including countries with severe outbreaks) throughout. So what difference does a few Brits travelling abroad make?

Itwasnoaccident9786756453 · 28/06/2020 00:33

It's ridiculous because we're barely holding steady as it is and I would like to see the priority being having children able to return to school. For this we need infection rates as low as possible and a functioning t and t system. We're loosening things and may have to tighten up just in time for going back to school.

HannahStern · 28/06/2020 00:35

@BumbleBeen

The problem with hoping everyone will holiday in the UK is that there simply isn't capacity for everyone here. The UK holiday destinations will be creaking under the pressure, so although I completely agree with you OP - part of me will be glad if 1000s of them do go abroad rather than swarming over Cornwall and the Lake District.
Just see how delighted Bournemouth was with its tourist influx this week.
To think it’s dumb that international holidays are being encouraged in the middle of a pandemic
Maduixa · 28/06/2020 00:36

A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

We HAVE altered them, within Schengen and under the direction of the EU, drastically. The fact that your country isn't willing to participate and that you yourself are spectacularly ignorant doesn't negate that.

whereistherum · 28/06/2020 00:38

I come from a small country which relies on tourism and their borders are still shut.

I could go over and technically come back as I hold passports for both, but looking at the rules, I would have to self-quarantine once I get there for 14 days and then on the way back, I have to go straight to the airport get a thermal scan and when I get back to the UK self quarantine for another 14 days.

But its the only way I could get in and I am not even sure that would work, as they demanded all nationals who wanted to go back to go back in April

saltycat · 28/06/2020 00:38

This virus circumnavigated the world in a matter of weeks because of international travel didn't it?

It could do so again, it's only waiting for suitable hosts to infect.

I doubt the whole world would be infected now without international travel, so why is it perceived that it will be any different if free travel anywhere is available in the next few weeks or so?

Stay home, stay safe and don't spread it around. Madness, but if Gov doesn't care I can see why some don't care either. The message is very vague and mixed.

I have written off any travel abroad in 2020 now, and the relief is immense.

hulahooper2 · 28/06/2020 00:41

Most travel insurance policies won’t cover Covid so what happens if you contract it abroad ?

CoralReefer · 28/06/2020 00:44

I’m just hoping that what some experts are saying is true - that the virus seems to have weakened somewhat and isn’t as dangerous as it was.
Otherwise we’re in for a rough few months.

DilemmaDame · 28/06/2020 00:44

Bonkers. If people are in the unenviable position of having followed advice and paid the full balance on trips booked last year then I get it. I would be torn too.

I can also see the arguments for driving to a SC gite in France.

But voluntarily signing up for unnecessary air travel and the 'normal' style of hotels, apartments, shared pools, shared buffets just NO. what is wrong with you people have you not watched the news?

I don't know if people realise that they could be paying ££££ to go to Spain, find there's a confirmed case and that they're to stay in their hotel rooms. IF your travel insurance covers you, how do you feel about being treated for CV in a foreign hospital where you don't speak the language? What if while you are there another local lockdown is imposed and although you can leave the hotel pubs if you want to eat at a restaurant there's a 2.5 hour wait because you need to sit 2m apart and the staff aren't allowed to serve alcohol?

This is not scaremongering these are real live news stories from recent months.

Just holiday in the UK or stay home and save up for a really speci trip next year.

FinallyRelief · 28/06/2020 00:46

SC gite here and a cabin on the ferry - fingers crossed it's not a rough crossing!

Redolent · 28/06/2020 00:47

@Maduixa

A world clinging desperately to its globalized ways and unwilling to countenance altering them even in the midst of a crisis like this.

We HAVE altered them, within Schengen and under the direction of the EU, drastically. The fact that your country isn't willing to participate and that you yourself are spectacularly ignorant doesn't negate that.

Looks like I hit a nerve. No idea why.

So no flights from the US. That’s the problem done and dusted then.

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Redolent · 28/06/2020 00:49

@DilemmaDame

Bonkers. If people are in the unenviable position of having followed advice and paid the full balance on trips booked last year then I get it. I would be torn too.

I can also see the arguments for driving to a SC gite in France.

But voluntarily signing up for unnecessary air travel and the 'normal' style of hotels, apartments, shared pools, shared buffets just NO. what is wrong with you people have you not watched the news?

I don't know if people realise that they could be paying ££££ to go to Spain, find there's a confirmed case and that they're to stay in their hotel rooms. IF your travel insurance covers you, how do you feel about being treated for CV in a foreign hospital where you don't speak the language? What if while you are there another local lockdown is imposed and although you can leave the hotel pubs if you want to eat at a restaurant there's a 2.5 hour wait because you need to sit 2m apart and the staff aren't allowed to serve alcohol?

This is not scaremongering these are real live news stories from recent months.

Just holiday in the UK or stay home and save up for a really speci trip next year.

Completely agree. Thing is, it feels like deja vu as we were having precisely these same discussions back in late February/ March! Remember the 1000 guests quarantined in a Tenerife Hotel?
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wildone84 · 28/06/2020 00:53

@MaitlandGirl

I can’t understand why people are being encouraged to book holidays to Australia when our govt is saying no international flights for another year!
Good luck with that. Australia isn't open to tourists, only to residents & citizens.