to think this person has had masses of white privilege

[raspran]

If a white male has grown up in a small house in a poor family (their words not mine) but went on buy their own home, get a good job with a large multinational and be sponsored through university and immigrate to the USA and get their green card then they can't claim not to have had any white privilege?
Yet they are saying that they have had no white privilege.

As stated, I'm white. But i believe others when they tell me about their experiences

This.

Yes,
If for example we want to say ethnicity is driving the average hourly pay for UK born ethnic groups, then the data is showing Asian privilege because British Chinese & Indians are in the #1 and #2 position.

The British Pakistani/Bangladeshi being the lowest could be evidence of Anti-Muslim sentiment more than cancelling out any Asian privilege they might have.

There are many ways to interpret the data. But the data does not support white privilege as being the biggest factor behind average hourly pay of British workers.

@RealityBased

As stated, I'm white. But i believe others when they tell me about their experiences

The best post on this thread. You explained it brilliantly. Thank you.

Thank you.

Crikey reality I'm white and spent my 20s/early 30s on a City trading floor. I don't recognise any of that and was generally regarded as one of the lads. Neat haircut, navy skirt, blouse, knotted silk scarf - often a fitted navy cardigan, never heels.

My privilege is less white than class related imo. DH was brought up working class and I'm quite sure he wouldn't have been as successful if I hadn't taught him the "rules".

What is referred to as white privelege is merely majority privelege.

Couldn't agree more. In the majority of places in the world it is not a privilege to be white because white people are not the majority. It is something that is specific to places that have a majority white population, such as US, Australia, UK etc.

I find it ironically narrow minded and arrogant that so many white people think of white privilege as being universal, and as such show their total ignorance of other cultures. They seem to think that their "Western" experience of life is everyone else's experience. I went to school in the UK but I wasn't born in the UK and my parents aren't white. It would definitely not have been any advantage for me to be white skinned in my home country. Thus idea that people with white skin have some kind of privilege that I don't, even when I am in my home country, is unbelievably patronising to me.

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[quote StamfordHill]@MakingMNGreatAgain

I said the same thing in another thread very recently. What is referred to as white privelege is merely majority privelege.

Those who fit in with the predominant population, will find it easier to fit in. That's all there is to it.[/quote]
I don’t think this either though so hope my comment wasn’t taken by everyone as such! I think white privilege exists, just not worldwide - it's a bit ignorant to think that the challenges in predominantly white countries are the same across the world imo!

It’s a bit like male privilege, there are more women in the population (51%ish?) but societal pressures mean that woman are often paid less, more likely to be unpaid carers etc etc, so there's no majority privilege there. Similarly for racial bias, not everything can be accounted for using majority privilege (imo obvs!)

Maybe people would take more notice if if was used as a more nuanced expression and not a 12 lb sledge hammer to crack a nut.

@Cramitmaam great post.

Does the USA routinely welcome black immigrants
well yes, lots of them.
God this is all so tedious.

wizard do some of your practices have root in Judaism/Kosher ideas, I didn't know about the meat and milk separation and it seems similar?

white working class boys will, on the whole, then go on to get work

How? Have you seen the list of qualifications you need just to get a shelf stacking job.
And the questionnaire is virtually impossible.
I know some people get the jobs but in my local supermarket I don’t understand how someone who doesn’t speak English actually gets through the questionnaire and interview process

Well, I'm a mix of Irish Traveller and Scottish (lowland) Traveller/ Gypsy brought up in my Scottish side so I'm not fully qualified to say what Irish Travellers do (they do have similar hygiene practices but the food thing I don't believe is strict ).

Scottish Traveller/ Gypsies are linked to the Romani and share a lot of their culture. Romani are thought to have Jewish origin (there is a dispute about that but if you look at the practices it's hard to believe they are not).

That would make sense Wizard as the Jewish people have had to flee across Europe over the centuries. There was that lost tribe in Wales theory as well

@Devlesko feel free jump in to correct me at all.

(You're Romani? I'm guessing from your name).

There are a lot of theories, it's very interesting.

Yes, I'm Romany, and you recognise from my username I'm impressed.
Gypsy is a slur to European Roma, some fb groups I can say gypsy others I'd be chucked off, it's a minefield.
For the sake of race and all travellers are considered the same even though the culture may have differences. The only exception is new age because obviously that's a choice and not an actual race.

Did have a google - possible link to tribe of Simeon

Sorry if I've offended you with Gypsy, we use that word to describe ourselves/ identify.

What is the point of this? To guilt trip white people? What do you actually want?

@Livelovebehappy

White children from the poorest families very rarely achieve success in the work place. Fact. They don’t have the family support or financial capability to break away from poverty, and are therefore more likely to follow family members into the unemployment trap or minimum wage jobs. They are also treated worse by police officers due to background and expectancy that due to the area they live, and being uneducated, they are more likely to be guilty of a crime. So try telling a white boy living in the above conditions that he has any advantage over someone from BAME. He might not be judged on the colour of his skin, but will definitely be judged on everything else.

So true Living on a council estate as a single parent household you definitely were not seen as privileged. Police would pull you over daily, sometimes several times, not because I was breaking any laws. Nothing to do with my skin tone then? I was just discriminated against because of my 'profile'?

Wizard

No, honestly my love, I'm not offended, Me and my family all use the term. I think it's more European Roma that object to it, and also as you know we refer to ourselves as Gypsies.
I'm on lots of traveller fb groups have you seen them all?
They are closed groups mainly, but any traveller can join.
Some do dna, others education and some just chat.
Lovely to speak to you, did you hear about the Irish traveller being refused access to shop at Morrisons, during this pandemic too. It's doing the rounds. It's disgusting, he seemed a lovely man, not young and he had a stick. A young woman just said it was company policy as they'd had trouble. The man was calm, filmed it and informed her he was taking the film to Police. I feel sorry for her as it would have been the manage sat in the back telling her o do it, she looked ready to cry, but it needs addressing.

Yes poor/working class/underclass white people do get profiled, followed round shops, stopped by police etc. Think it's only in mc bubble land this doesn't happen.

Class/wealth is the biggest divider.