to think this person has had masses of white privilege

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If a white male has grown up in a small house in a poor family (their words not mine) but went on buy their own home, get a good job with a large multinational and be sponsored through university and immigrate to the USA and get their green card then they can't claim not to have had any white privilege?
Yet they are saying that they have had no white privilege.

I wrote culture a lot there, sorry

It's also to do with how our access- how long it takes to enroll, the lack of consistency in curriculum (one school will teach such and such a subject one term and the other a completely different one) so it makes children further behind as they've learnt only half of whatever and it's disheartening always playing catch-up.

There's a few reasons, I'm not the most articulate so sorry if it's a bit jumbled.

@Wizadorawobble I cannot claim to understand how traveller children are affected completely but I was an army child and moved around a LOT. I do understand completely what you're saying about moving on and being dropped in half way through topics etc. I moved schools four times in one year once. Very easy to disengage because it feels hopeless and it's so hard to pick up the strands and catch up. I imagine many of your children can't wait to leave can they? Must be horrible stressful for them at times.

OhTheRoses you do not know for sure though do you?

It's is very stressful @YgritteSnow, I didn't learn to read and write untill I was 11 because every bloody school taught it differently (and I'm only 31!).

It’s been done to death, but “white privilege” is oft misunderstood, especially by poor or poor born white people to whom the concept of “privilege” is alien.

I understand that the “privilege” bit of “white privilege” means the “privilege” of not being judged or treated as a lesser being because of your skin colour.

I bet 9 out of 10 white people who claim that they don’t have white privilege would acknowledge it if the definition was explained to them.

If, as a white person I go to live in, say Jamaica, do I then loose my white privilege and live amongst those with black privilege?

@Wizadorawobble I have no maths skills whatsoever. Nothing. I can't even confidently do long division or multiplication. I can't work out percentages without looking up how to do it. I missed too many of the basics and then would get dumped down much further along the maths teaching line and have no clue. I just stayed quiet and every maths lesson I got through without being questioned was a bonus!

I'm not too bad at maths -we learn to work out the best price/ fuel consumption/ distances at a young age!

I love that!

TheVoiceofReasonableness You would think so. But after reading some of the threads about this, where people have explained what it means, I think that some people will still deny it exists anyway.

@Toseland

If, as a white person I go to live in, say Jamaica, do I then loose my white privilege and live amongst those with black privilege?

No you would not.

How come?

Sounds like you are trying to undermine his achievements.

You don’t know his circumstances or what he has had to contend with, i.e. did the company have a policy of positive discrimination making it harder for a white male to get the position?

At my law firm a white male is the least attractive recruitment proposition right now.

All white people have white privilege

Garbage, of whatever hue takes your fancy.

If, as a white person I go to live in, say Jamaica, do I then loose my white privilege and live amongst those with black privilege?

You would certainly not find a country bending over backwards for your convenience, yu would be expected to live by the adage When in Rome................

It makes a huge difference if education is made applicable to our culture/ life. Teaching angles and surface area are a good examples-many Traveller boys would completely understand them when it's made applicable to our life because of their traditional skills in tree felling and landscaping. Because our oral culture is ignored they fall behind because all the work is to do with written equations instead of real life.

Oral* not ignored!

@Wizadorawobble thank you for your replies.

Toseland you not be judged negatively because of the colour of your skin. You would not be treated as a second class citizen on account of being white. Years of conditioning that "white is better" has not been eradicated overnight in former British colonies.

*At my law firm a white male is the least attractive recruitment proposition right now.
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That's interesting for a law firm. Because I would have thought that sort of policy would be illegal in the UK.

How many non-white people has it resulted in gaining in senior positions?

Well he would have benefited from white privileges maybe he doesn’t feel privileged in general though.

White privilege is as simple as this
DH is black
My brother is white.

DH has been pulled over by police in his car numerous times, my brother has never.

DH has been stopped and searched numerous times. My brother has never.

DH has been followed around shops/stores numerous times. Pretty much everytime. Rarely happens to my brother.

DH has been asked where he is from numerous times, despite being born in the U.K. my brother has never.

I use my brother as an example as I am a woman so it could be argued that he is targeted more because he is male

@HopeClearwater I didn't mean to bang on about us but I wondered if your school has ever considered GRT hygiene needs? Especially around food. It's a lesser known issue but GRT people do have hygiene needs very similar to those of Orthodox Jews. My DH still gets annoyed sometimes (he isn't GRT) that I consider a lot of food unclean and won't eat it or allow our dd to eat it.

White privilege is iffy at best
statistically a white man in police custody is more likely to die there than a black man in police custody.
On average A black African ethnic boy will achieve better schooling outcome than a white british school boy who will in turn do better than both black Caribbean or white travellers.
White British earn less than average yes it is more than black group but much less thin Indian and Chinese ethnic group.
At elite sport level black people make up 37% of the last England football world cup squad despite making up 3% of the population.

From this data (all facts taken from the ONS website) white privilege is a myth or at least not something for black people to aim for. Indian or south asian privilege certainly could be argued as they are top of most of these list but of course that doesn't go with the current anti white position many seem to have which i would argue is more racist. If you are going to accuse a group of privilege at least choose one who does well.

@Wizadorawobble

I don't believe Travellers and Gypsies have white privilege, the people who say we do tend not to know anything about GRT issues at all.

This!

My whole life I’ve been looked down on, ignored and even had a friends mum throw me out their house because she found out where I came from.

I may be white but I am most certainly not privileged in any way shape or form.

I deal with racism nearly every day of my life, generalisations about what I ‘must’ be like because of my background. People making assumptions about me before they’ve got to know me. Police stopping me because they’ve seen where my car comes from...

Why is it only racism if you have a different skin colour? I’ve had a police officer tell me off for calling an incident a racist once because I was white. You can’t be racist towards white people apparently.

It seems like the point is to use “white privilege” as a stick to bludgeon this guy with in order to make yourself feel like you’re doing something about systemic racism and assuage your own white guilt.

You aren’t effectively helping with the problem by taking to the internet to prove one dude is privileged.

No more than the stupid signs popping up in ultra white neighborhoods in the US.

Your post here and your lecturing a family member is no more effective than the stupid BLM “silence =violence” signs. Doing this isn’t helping any black people. It just makes you feel smart and self-righteous.