The beach down south/bbc news tonight

[Milssofadoesntreallyfit]

I'm mean, yes I want things back to normal BUT I am still concerned in case we get a spike again. I agree we all need to be careful BUT clearly all these people just thought F* it.
All we've put up with so far with lock down and it seems every one on the beach in question decided to piss it into the wind.

If I were the government I would think I couldn't trust people to use sense at all and put lockdown back in place until either a vaccination or until people realised that if they want lockdown relaxed then they need to prove they can be trusted to show a bit of caution.

Rant over.

Why do you believe your figures @Hearhoovesthinkzebras, because they're worse?

They aren't my figures. They're from a source that I trust. An independent source who have nothing to gain by manipulating them or misrepresenting them.

@Coronabegone

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Try that link @Hearhoovesthinkzebras , it might cheer you up?

Am I missing something? Only those look like they are slightly on the rise or at very best flat - which is what the scientists at Kings have said. They don't seem to show a decline.

Am I missing something? Only those look like they are slightly on the rise or at very best flat - which is what the scientists at Kings have said. They don't seem to show a decline.

When you say slightly on the decline, you mean decline, as I've stated the two differences in one week? It's a decline? Do you need me to work put the % decline or are you able to do that yourself?

When you say slightly on the decline, you mean decline, as I've stated the two differences in one week? It's a decline? Do you need me to work put the % decline or are you able to do that yourself?

But the graphs don't show a decline. I don't need you to do anything. You believe it so why does it matter what I think?

@pigeon999

dillo very few younger people have needed hospital beds, only a very small overall percentage. The beds and ICU were used to mainly support those that are very old or with underlying health conditions. So it is not accurate to say 'everyone' because you can see from the stats that it is certain demographics that are affected badly and requiring treatment in hospitals.

You’re wrong, you couldn’t be more wrong. “Old people” weren’t being admitted to ICU.

I am pleased lockdown is easing and I am hopeful we can put enough strategies in place to continue easing. I am not a dementor. I am, however, going to pick up comment on your inaccuracies because I’m sick to the back teeth of people like you making coming about shielding.I am shielding, I have worked the entire way through this from home. Lockdown was never to protect the shielding group, it was to protect the entirety of society. You didn’t do it. We all did it. It’s been indescribably difficult to adapt my frontline client facing role to home but I’ve worked longer hours than ever. As lockdown has eased, us shielded have been further behind so we are still protected and actually you are more at risk of actually contracting the virus! I wouldn’t go to a packed beach like that, regardless of Covid or shielding, looks awful . I don’t begrudge people who do, except those who leave human in public and leave their litter. They are scum. I cannot imagine that a busy beach day would really cause an outbreak because we know the transmission rate is much lower outcome. Still, I am going to bite back at every comment made by sanctimonious people who think lockdown was for one group’s benefit. This is a society, we all do it for each other.

But the graphs don't show a decline. I don't need you to do anything. You believe it so why does it matter what I think?

They do show a decline, look at the seven day rolling average? Why does it matter what you think, because every positive post, every positive post you come on being doom and gloom and negativity. You do realise that that had an effect on people's own mental health and that the whole world (as others have pointed out) does not revolve around you.

@Coronabegone

But the graphs don't show a decline. I don't need you to do anything. You believe it so why does it matter what I think?

They do show a decline, look at the seven day rolling average? Why does it matter what you think, because every positive post, every positive post you come on being doom and gloom and negativity. You do realise that that had an effect on people's own mental health and that the whole world (as others have pointed out) does not revolve around you.

I don't want the world to revolve around me. I want everyone to do what they are meant to do, for the good of society. I don't want a second peak or a second wave. I doubt that we can afford to lockdown again both economically and socially but the alternative is horrific - basically just leaving people to die because hospitals will be over run. So, I'm listening to the doctors and scientists who are independent of government. Even Patrick Valance and Chris Whitty have been barely able to conceal their concerns this week.

The data that government is releasing concerns me. The ONS and Zoe Covid tracker suggests daily infection rates of about 3 - 4000, rather than the 1000 odd admitted to by government. Patrick Valance at a previous briefing agreed that the ONS and Zoe estimates are accurate.

If you want to believe government data then that's your prerogative. I don't trust it. If they were more honest with details of testing and PPE supplies maybe I'd be more inclined to believe this data.

Not sure if true but I heard that positive results aren't counted if done privately in Govt figures. Coukd explain the discrepancy.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
The numbers are still on a decline and this is a good thing. Lockdown was only meant to flatten the curve. Unfortunately, we may be living with Covid for some time. You are welcome to continue to shield and stay locked down if you are concerned. Nobody is stopping you.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras you profess you can to walk in the morning because of commuters, (I work in London city, no issues and every commuter is at leat 2m apart), after the commuters you can't walk because the pavements are then immediately full of walkers four abreast, cyclists, people not social distancing all day long! I mean really, where do you live that it's that bloody busy all day long??

You're a person who is loving for whatever the reason this pandemic, I'm not sure why, it's bizarre!

You don't want to believe anything positive, you think it's all a lie, it's just not want to hear, you want it too be doom and gloom and for whatever reason you're enjoying that! Really look
At the positives, you may like them.

[quote Coronabegone]**@Hearhoovesthinkzebras* you profess you can to walk in the morning because of commuters, (I work in London city, no issues and every commuter is at leat 2m apart), after the commuters you can't walk because the pavements are then immediately* full of walkers four abreast, cyclists, people not social distancing all day long! I mean really, where do you live that it's that bloody busy all day long??

You're a person who is loving for whatever the reason this pandemic, I'm not sure why, it's bizarre!

You don't want to believe anything positive, you think it's all a lie, it's just not want to hear, you want it too be doom and gloom and for whatever reason you're enjoying that! Really look
At the positives, you may like them.

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I don't live in the City of London so that has no bearing on where I live. I didn't say that the pavements are full of people. I said that when I have gone out walking there are many occasions where the pavement that I am walking on is "blocked" by people walking abreast, rather than single file. When I attempt to avoid them I can't because there are also people on the other pavement. That's not saying that both pavements are chock full of people constantly. It's saying that this happens multiple times no matter what time of day I go for a walk (unless I went out in the middle of the night I suppose).

I can't do anything in situations like that can I, other than step out into the traffic I suppose. Why can't people just momentarily walk in single file whilst walking past another person?

I think people are entitled to their opinion and to interpret things as they wish. Its laudable to feel a sense of responsibility and to value being part of a society. However, particularly since Dom and his eye test fiasco, people are throwing in the towel.

I think, with respect @Hearhorses, we have to look at the whole person, the bigger picture and humans are social animals. I won't be heading for a beach but neither will I leap onto a road to avoid a passerby.

@randomer

I think people are entitled to their opinion and to interpret things as they wish. Its laudable to feel a sense of responsibility and to value being part of a society. However, particularly since Dom and his eye test fiasco, people are throwing in the towel.

I think, with respect @Hearhorses, we have to look at the whole person, the bigger picture and humans are social animals. I won't be heading for a beach but neither will I leap onto a road to avoid a passerby.

I don't want people to leap into the road to avoid me (though that's the only option open to me to avoid others). All I'm saying is that SD is still in place and is currently 2 metres. Why then walk along the pavement, towards other people, in a group two or three abreast, which means passing with only inches between you? Why wouldn't you just walk in single file for the time it takes to pass someone? No one needs to step into the road.

Leicester looks to be about to go back into lockdown, presumably because people there decided the rules don't apply to them.

We have tiny pavements here and families with little children teetering about on bikes and scooters. I have developed my own very speedy method of getting past such hurdles.

My belief is this virus is airborn and likes close contact with other carriers. I live a quiet life away from crowds ( always have) but I can't allow myself to have a break down, brought on by solitary confinement.

I wonder if the Leicester situation is dues to very densely packed housing and/or large BAME population.

@randomer

We have tiny pavements here and families with little children teetering about on bikes and scooters. I have developed my own very speedy method of getting past such hurdles.

My belief is this virus is airborn and likes close contact with other carriers. I live a quiet life away from crowds ( always have) but I can't allow myself to have a break down, brought on by solitary confinement.

I wonder if the Leicester situation is dues to very densely packed housing and/or large BAME population.

But I'm not talking about tiny pavements and little children teetering on bikes. I'm talking about pavements where two people can pass with a fairly wide gap between them. But if two or three people walk side by side in one direction then the gap between them and a person walking in the opposite direction is miniscule. So, why do that? SD is in place. I'm told it's safe for me to go out once per day so.long as I maintain at least a two metre distance. I can't maintain that by myself if I encounter other people determined to ignore it.

When I go back to work I'm going to be encountering these people every day.

The Leicester situation appears to be centred around certain businesses and they've also shut some schools.

I think sometimes people make mistakes with SD is because they are fuddled,their brains are not working well.

@randomer

I think sometimes people make mistakes with SD is because they are fuddled,their brains are not working well.

Is this the hearhooves show now?

@Beatrixpotterspencil

Is this the hearhooves show now?

Not at all. If people tag me or quote me why can't I reply?

Beatrix
Yup
Every
Single
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Deaths and new infections down.....from this time last week.

That won't please certain people, I'm sure 🙄

That won't please certain people, I'm sure

In a short space of time, one group of people will be saying "i told you so"
Will it be tje group thinking there may be a second peak?
Will it be the group that thinks there won't?

"I told you there's be more deaths and lock down" as deaths hit 80,90,100k

"I told you there wouldn't be a second peak" as deaths remain around 60000...

Who really wins here in this pissing contest? Is it the almost 60000 families that have lost loved ones already? Or the ones that are still in ICU dying right this second?

Ultimately, do what you all want to do, if 100k people are dead by christmas and 100k families are mourning avoidable losses, well at least some people got to go the beach, have a beer in a pub, go and do meaningless and unimportant shite. Good job..

@MonkeyToesOfDoom so far the people being positive are "winning", no VE Day spike, no Cornish beaches spike, no BLM rally spikes.

The majority of deaths occurred because our inept government didn't lock down soon enough! I mean Chris Witty, BJ and Matt Hancock all broke the rules and got the virus.

Yet we have idiots on here hailing Chris Witty SS the font of all knowledge!

Where do you get the 60,000 families devastated from out of interest? I thought the UK deaths are at around 43.000.

so far the people being positive

... Are happy we've "only" lost 10s of thousands of people.

What a mindset to have. Let's all be positive about that...

Go look at ONS data. And dance with joy. I'll slow clap you...

[quote Coronabegone]@MonkeyToesOfDoom so far the people being positive are "winning", no VE Day spike, no Cornish beaches spike, no BLM rally spikes.

The majority of deaths occurred because our inept government didn't lock down soon enough! I mean Chris Witty, BJ and Matt Hancock all broke the rules and got the virus.

Yet we have idiots on here hailing Chris Witty SS the font of all knowledge!

Where do you get the 60,000 families devastated from out of interest? I thought the UK deaths are at around 43.000. [/quote]
Interesting how those being positive rarely up to speed on actual figures and data as though they can't actually be bothered to discover the truth on case it shows their positivity as somehow misplaced...

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/02/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-nears-50000-latest-official-figures-show

June 2nd we were almost over 50k deaths. By Xmas, that figure will be much much higher, second peak or not..