The beach down south/bbc news tonight

[Milssofadoesntreallyfit]

I'm mean, yes I want things back to normal BUT I am still concerned in case we get a spike again. I agree we all need to be careful BUT clearly all these people just thought F* it.
All we've put up with so far with lock down and it seems every one on the beach in question decided to piss it into the wind.

If I were the government I would think I couldn't trust people to use sense at all and put lockdown back in place until either a vaccination or until people realised that if they want lockdown relaxed then they need to prove they can be trusted to show a bit of caution.

Rant over.

Pigeon 999

The beds and ICU were used to mainly support those that are very old or with underlying health conditions. So it is not accurate to say 'everyone' because you can see from the stats that it is certain demographics that are affected badly and requiring treatment in hospitals.

Doctor on ICU ward in March in Wales was on C4 news. They were at capacity and the ward was FULL with under 40s. One on ventilator was a fitness instructor so very fit and healthy.

It can effect even younger healthy people very badly. There is growing evidence of long term consequences for those who didn’t even get it badly:

www.newscientist.com/article/mg24632881-400-why-strange-and-debilitating-coronavirus-symptoms-can-last-for-months/?utm_source=NSNEW&utm_campaign=91ebcccfee-nsnew_260520&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e65fab71ff-91ebcccfee-378919335

www.newscientist.com/article/2247086-the-coronavirus-is-leaving-some-people-with-permanent-lung-damage/

Not scaremongering. I just think if we are being left to make our own decisions then we should be making those decisions as well informed as possible.

ms We shall have to agree to disagree, beyond the patients that are obese, the main demographic of patients seriously ill with covid are older people and those with underlying health conditions. They are the same ones that have also died from the virus. So whether at one point you saw on the news that there just happened to be lots of patients around 40 in Wales does not show the whole picture, it was probably being shown because it was so unusual!

The general consensus and stats point to a much, much older demographic and those with serious underlying health conditions. We are not seeing masses of younger people being hospitalised or dying from covid. It is a fact.

@pigeon999

No, we can't do what everyone else does, no we won't be living a full life unless we choose to put ourselves at risk

As long as you SD you can do the same as everyone else. PM made it very clear that this was a very welcome development. It is your choice now.

Yes, what he said and what the letter said are quite different.

Obviously you know better though, despite not being in the category and not having the letter but 🤷

Funny how earlier you knew that social distancing is now one metre, when it isn't and knew that shielded people can go out soon, when we can already go out.

Now you know something else too.

dillo very few younger people have needed hospital beds, only a very small overall percentage. The beds and ICU were used to mainly support those that are very old or with underlying health conditions.

pigeon yes we now know that younger people are less likely to get ill with Covid, we weren't so certain back in March.
Before lockdown when little was known about the virus the "experts"were looking at a worst case scenario of large numbers of people, not just the most vulnerable and elderly, needing NHS care and overwhelming the system.
Those of all ages with non covid health needs, accident victims, serious health conditions, other infections etc wouldn't be able to get care if this happened.

Who knows with Convid. It’s been 30 degrees and everyone is outside. Unless someone coughs/sneezes near you I’d say the rusk was pretty low.

As to the rubbish I think that’s a much bigger problem. The mentality of leaving crap ( literally) for someone else to clear up in a public space is appalling.
I agree DilloDaf, anything above the tide line gets left. Let them sit in and maybe people would work out why it shouldn’t be left.

You could argue that the shielding and their families gave up more than everyone else for two reasons. One to protect themselves of course but also to stop the NHS being overwhelmed giving them capacity to treat agressively those who needed it. After all some extremely clinically vulnerable were asked about DNRS and older people were treated palliatively only.

If you drive to Bournemouth and you see the absolute fucking state of the beach like that then you turn the fuck around and go somewhere less busy. ‘Working class’ people are perfectly capable of figuring that out for themselves confused

And you don't have to go far to get to lovely unspoilt beaches, especially on Purbeck. Studland is fabulous, and Kimmeridge is like something out of Enid Blyton - cliffs, fossils, sand, rock pools - and I've never seen it busy.

Purbeck is beautiful, but the chain ferry to Studland had to be halted because of gridlocked traffic.

You can drive the road route to the purbecks

My point is more that it was very busy - as was Durdle Door.

The gov have paid out millions/billions to lockdown down a country to protect 2.2 million shielded people 😂 who were all shielded inside their homes! Of course, here was me thinking shielding protected the shielded and the nhs, and lockdown protected the nhs.

There are many people who are vulnerable not shielded, pregnant women(I think after 28 weeks) higher bmi, elderly (who are not shielded unless they have underlying conditions) and more, so there is an element that some protection needed to be found and the virus contained as this was a much larger group still able to work, shop etc. (Advice was they should work from home if they could) I believe this group was around 19 million people.

The important thing is the long term for the NHS, it’s not just needed for Covid, so slowing the spread to keep icu beds free isn’t just for those of us who are clinically vulnerable, or extremely clinically vulnerable, it’s for people who need them with no idea before hand, stroke victims, heart attacks, car accidents, protecting the nhs protected all of us.

As for the release of shielding, it sounded so positive in the briefing but the advice in the letter is quite limited for what we should be doing, work from home unless we really can’t, shop for food and medicine essentials, see upto 5 people outside and go for exercise once a day. So pub lunches, holidays, clothes shopping etc etc not included and quite clear that it’s a temporary measure meaning we’re likely to move back into full shielding at some point. I’m not a dementor, I’ll be exploring my own boundaries and trying to have a bit of fun now just in case, I’ll just poke people with a 2m stick if they get too close 😉

I really can understand why people all went to the beach! It’s not my thing, hot, crowds, sand and no toilets, but I think people just wanted a normal day out with their families, to feel free and normal. The rubbish, fighting and using gardens as toilets is gross. I can’t wait to have a pub lunch and a night in our favourite hotel, something fun and carefree.

I guess people head to the bigger beaches assuming the little less busy ones will be busier and harder to distance on? Near here there was a 28 mile queue to get to one of the popular beaches, yet our lovely long stretch had lots of spaces, toilets open, fish and chips and take away beer, no queues at all. We did still get the scattering of hippy crack canisters though.

I think that when they rebuild for a post-covid world, they could do worse than invest in huge open air lidos for every major town. We used to have one near where I grew up as a child in the 60s and 70s in South Wales. It was amazing. Very shallow and loads of fun.

And there needs to be a programme of investing in open air exercise more generally - like there was after they discovered that so many were unfit for combat when recruiting for ww1.

I guess people head to the bigger beaches assuming the little less busy ones will be busier and harder to distance on?

Bournemouth always gets busy when the weather is good - some people just like busy beaches.

The problem was that the numbers were so much bigger than usual.

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/16208843.100000-people-flock-to-bournemouth-beach-for-may-bank-holiday-weekend/

This is a local paper talking about 100,000 visitors to Bournemouth in 2018.

“It is looking like a record early May bank holiday. Normally we’d expect around 60,000 visitors over the weekend, but we are on target for more than 100,000. It is a huge sigh of relief for the town.”

However, people were talking about 500,000 people visiting on Thursday. For comparison Glastonbury accommodates 200,000.

I think that when they rebuild for a post-covid world, they could do worse than invest in huge open air lidos for every major town.

I would love that (and also want all the minor towns and villages to have their own lidos too! )

Bloody hell @Merrymouse that sounds like my idea of a miserable experience but each to their own.

I guess as more people return to work (those fortunate enough to have not lost them) it will quieten down somewhat but will still be at huge levels at weekends.

I love the Lido idea too.

As they say, for the past month numbers have been falling week on week and this is the first week the data has stopped falling. It's simply too early to think we've cracked it and it's all over. We just need to be cautious and sensible.

The data has not stopped falling, rolling average today (over 7 days) is 1078 last week was 1266, deaths down from 140 to 136, this foes not include today's figure of 100 which will further reduce the rolling average.

Everything is gong in the right direction even with all the cries of social events etc going to cause a spike.

Coronabegone

Not according to the King's College scientists running the Zoe app and SAGE is warning today that schools might not be able to open in September if rates continue to rise and that it might be a choice between pubs and schools opening.

Rates are not rising, confirmed cases in Scotland are barely in double figures daily and no deaths now for 2 days in a row.

@FizzFan

Rates are not rising, confirmed cases in Scotland are barely in double figures daily and no deaths now for 2 days in a row.

Clearly Kings College have got it wrong then. I wonder what made them conclude that rates have stopped falling for the first time this week? Strange, when they have all that data at their disposal 🤷

Well they must be, because in my country rates are definitely falling.

But it would just be typical of you to filter out any positives @Hearhoovesthinkzebras, you’d probably be devastated that we’ve had no deaths the last two days, less for you to moan about.

Well I believe they're WRONG @Hearhoovesthinkzebras ! But I do understand that YOU are desperate to believe them!

I'm just interested in why you would think experts who are looking closely at the data are wrong, that's all.

I'll just continue listening to the experts and taking their advice but you do you.

But I'm not making up my statistics @Hearhoovesthinkzebras , mine are from experts and the figures they're giving have also been in line with the government figures, always with out fail.

My son also works in the local hospital and the situation is without doubt vastly better than at the peek.

Why do you believe your figures @Hearhoovesthinkzebras, because they're worse?

www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

Try that link @Hearhoovesthinkzebras , it might cheer you up?