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Was she a terrible hostess, or was I a rude guest?

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PeopleAreAllWeveGot · 22/06/2020 09:05

Im hoping someone might be able to help me to understand something that’s been really bothering me for almost a year now, whenever I think of it. I’ve name changed but long time member (penis beaker, cancel the cheque etc).

Last year, my dh and I went to stay with a Uni friend of his and his wife, & 2 kids.

I had met his mate a few times and he was nice. They’d been at our wedding but aside from brief hellos and thanks for coming I hadn’t spoken to his wife much.

I’d had our third child 3 months before we visited, so was feeling pretty fuzzy the entire time, but I can’t stop thinking about how awful his wife was to me when we were there! Whenever it pops into my head I wonder how I could have handled it better. And also whether I somehow misread the situation.

Mi dh had last visited them 10 years earlier, around the time I met him. I’d heard all about this trip, and the fact he’d chatted up a girl in a bar there and she’d not been interested (we were friends when we first got to know each other, because his long term ex had hurt him badly and he didn’t want to get serious too soon. Massively overshared with each other, but that’s another thread). It wasn’t a huge deal, he was talking about other girls he’d been chatting up in the next breath (!) And then a few months later, after i’d put a stop to the “friendship” and he’d done a bit of dating with others, he got back in touch and we ended up together. Now been married many years.

Anyway, back to this woman. Literally the first thing she spoke about, in front of some of their extended family who were there, was his last visit. But it was ALL about this girl he’d chatted up. She knew who the girl was from her husband (they live in a very small place). And she made a point of finding the girls picture online (local businessman’s daughter it seems) and showing everyone there while saying repetitively and loudly “she is totally out of your league! No wonder you didn’t get anywhere!!!”. She showed me the picture too, anything else would have been rude 😳 I was sort of “ah yes she’s lovely”, in a bemused way. She did say “not that you’re in his league. But you’ve just had a baby so...”

I thought that was probably just a bit of an unguarded weird moment from the wife. But over the course of a 3 night stay, she literally made a point of telling me 3 times that she’d really really liked Dh’s ex (who she had met just once at their wedding 12 years ago, and who’s name she had forgotten). Like REALLY lovely girl. She REALLY REALLY liked her. Ive net the girl and she’s very nice. I have nothing against her. It just felt so so over the tip and fake coming from this woman, especially as she genuinely had to be reminded the first time she said it who the ex was, what she looked like, and what her name was.

She was an amazing host to my kids and husband, like outstandingly welcoming and lovely. She is an incredible cook. She took us to meet their friends, and made efforts to keep us entertained. Their home was immaculate. There was just this glitch in the matrix when it came to me!

Honestly, I got the feeling she was actively trying to make me feel like crap. We were guests so of course I was just friendly and didn’t respond to the strange comments.

One morning my husband let me sleep in while he took the baby and the two kids on a walk. Friends wife made a hugely pointed comment when I came downstairs at 10, I can’t remember what it was but I got the very strong impression she thought I was the rudest guest in existence because I hadn’t woken early. Is it terrifically rude to sleep in when ones a guest? I wouldn’t usually do it, ever, but I was exhausted with the baby and it was such a lovely holiday treat I let it happen.

Basically when we left I felt so relieved never to have to see this woman again. But every few months the trip pops into my head and the full horror of it washes over me. AIBU for feeling like this? It makes me want to message her and say “that was a really tough time, and I can’t believe anyone would be such a bitch! Is it because I was huge and exhausted and you saw someone weak to prod? Because that makes you evil.” But obviously I won’t.

So, AIBU for thinking she was being bitchy? Or are these normal things to say and I was exhausted and being overly sensitive? Is it so rude for a guest to lie in, that they deserve to be put in their place? If she WAS being a cow, why would someone do that?

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AdelaideK · 22/06/2020 09:43

Who cares if you had a lie in. She was rude and sounds like she wanted you to be insecure and jealous. Why who knows?

Porcupineinwaiting · 22/06/2020 09:43

OP why are you picking up on the one post that thinks lying in til 10am is a problem and ignoring all those saying it isn't?

IsMiseMorag · 22/06/2020 09:46

She was rude. Unless I've warned everyone there'll be a time-sensitive breakfast (eg, pancakes, Cordon Bleu quail's egg souffles, etc) I really don't care when guests get up the next day. In fact, I secretly prefer it if they lie in: I'd rather get on with the tidying-up in peace, esp if the tidying-up involves lots of empty bottles.

Doesn't matter how delicious the food was, if she made you feel uncomfortable, she's a bad host. The fact that your DH went out with the children should have been a major hint that you were having a lie-in. At a push, he could maybe have said something like, 'Enid's shattered, she's getting a couple of extra hours - don't worry about breakfast for her.'

AlpineSnow · 22/06/2020 09:47

She was rude and the lie in was fine

CrowdedHouseinQuarantine · 22/06/2020 09:49

@Gulabjamoon

Ah it's *@CrowdedHouseinQuarantine*, fresh from her goady thread on why she chooses not to unfriend racists or report them to their employers. Yet perfectly happy to ask women on the internet 'were you physically huge'.
op said she was huge! read her thread op and doint clal me goady just because
TreestumpsAndTrampolines · 22/06/2020 09:51

She was rude, but charitably, perhaps it was just not knowing what to say and her mouth running away with her - it happens.

As to the morning - as long as you didn't get up and then proceed to get in the way getting yourself breakfast (or demand someone made you some) then surely anyone would understand a mother with a 3 month old and a couple more kids on top having a lie-in while her husband headed out with the kids for a couple of hours! On the rude-ness scale it doesn't even register.

Gulabjamoon · 22/06/2020 09:51

So why ask her if she was 'physically huge' then? Your posts are goady.

ittakes2 · 22/06/2020 09:51

I think the question is more why is this bothering you now? Most people would have gone - that was a bit icky won’t be staying with them again...and move on. But you are letting it fill your thoughts and time months and months later. I think you need to work out why.

Gulabjamoon · 22/06/2020 09:51

^ to @Crowded

Sally872 · 22/06/2020 09:51

She was rude. She was a good host in a practical sense. She was a bitch with the comments. Try to stop letting it bother you though.

I feel if you can pity horrible people rather than be angry at them it makes moving on a lot easier. But either way do not blame yourself. Sleeping in until 10am at a weekend is very normal for many people, nevermind a new mum.

Yesmate · 22/06/2020 09:53

If I had you to stay with a three month old I would actively encourage you to sleep.
I would take the baby for a walk, make sure you knew where everything was the night before and tell you to enjoy the kip!
Mumsnet is so uptight and weird about rules when you stay with friends.
Me, I wouldn’t visit again or give it any more brain space.

asIlayfrying · 22/06/2020 09:53

She sounds very odd. i would not mind at all if someone slept in, especially someone with a new baby. Reading this reminds me of how much i hate staying in other people's houses.

Zaphodsotherhead · 22/06/2020 09:54

I always love it when guests have a lie in! It shows how comfortable they can be in my house. And at 3 months after giving birth, when your DH had taken the kids out, I would have welcomed you lying in! You're on holiday after all - what did she expect you to do, get up and give a tap dance show?

The only reason I can think that she would have resented the lying in, was if she wanted to get you on your own without your DH. So she saw him going out, thought she was in with a chance to really stick the knife in unobserved and you with no back up, and you ruined her fun by not presenting yourself.

CrowdedHouseinQuarantine · 22/06/2020 09:55

@Gulabjamoon

So why ask her if she was 'physically huge' then? Your posts are goady.
you are just looking for goadiness get over yourself
BronwenFrideswide · 22/06/2020 09:55

Like TheFaerieQueene I couldn't give a damn what time my guests get up or go to bed. The only time it would be significant would be if we had all arranged and agreed to go somewhere at or for a specific time, other than that it's irrelevant.

kennyjenny · 22/06/2020 09:56

What did your husband say? I think I would have said something to him about how uncomfortable you felt about the picture situation.
I'm surprised you agreed to staying at a strangers house 3 months after giving birth.

Blacksideupanddownagain · 22/06/2020 09:56

She doesn't sound welcoming, and very rude but I would just avoid returning in future and not give it more thought, one visit in 10 years doesn't seem like it's going to be regular thing.

As a host I would have liked a hint you may take a lie in the night before so I could plan breakfast/plan for the day. 10am is really late for our family as my children are up by 6am so I would be a bit bored and grumpy (but not say anything!) waiting for you to get up and get on with our day, but everyone lifestyle are different so compromise is needed when hosting/visiting.

Sunnywaves · 22/06/2020 09:57

She is not a nice person. Her behaviour says more about her than you and any kind, thoughtful person would have been happy for you to take the opportunity to sleep a little longer.

You have her number now, cross her off your list of people that matter and don't allow her another second of your attention.

billy1966 · 22/06/2020 09:59

Such nastiness on here with some people.

Of course the lie in is not a problem.

In fact, most normal people would be delighted that a mum of a baby nr 3 was getting an extra rest. Jesus, how on earth would anyone get upset at that.

She sounds deeply unpleasant, unhappy, God knows what.

Be glad you will never have to see her again and don't give her any headspace.

I will say though, I would rather stick needles in my eyes than go and stay 3 days with someone I only knew vaguely, with 3 young children.

But DH and I would be similar in that regard.

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Patch23042 · 22/06/2020 09:59

She sounds socially awkward.

Or maybe her husband is one of these men who leaves the grunt-work of hosting and domesticity to their wives, and she felt resentful so took it out on you (whilst being careful not to take it out on your children). I wonder whether she was simply told by her husband that his mate was coming for three days with wife and three kids (including a baby) and the assumption was that SHE would provide an “immaculate” house and “incredible” meals. Just a thought.....

Whatever the reason, your husband should have nipped it in the bud gently. Giving you a lie-in was his way of being kind to you possibly, but it would have been more helpful if he’d actually addressed her behaviour.

OldOakTreeRibbon · 22/06/2020 10:00

Maybe she’s the one who has to do all the hard hosting work - cleaning, cooking all whilst managing small children and cancelling stuff she was going to do when it’s her husband’s friends, and she’s being passive aggressive.

She’s obviously not your friend, next 10 year visit your DHshould go on his own.

I wouldn’t be rolling out the red carpet for a return visit from her or sending gushing thank you notes.

PeopleAreAllWeveGot · 22/06/2020 10:02

@kennyjenny

What did your husband say? I think I would have said something to him about how uncomfortable you felt about the picture situation. I'm surprised you agreed to staying at a strangers house 3 months after giving birth.
Husband is a v easygoing type and his relationship with uni friends is equally easygoing. The other wives I've met are lovely and chilled like their partners, and dh was reassuring that they'd be happy to have us etc. It was en route to another place and a stop over to see his friend. I felt a bit weird going to a place I didn't know with people I didn't know with new baby bit he was reassuring. If id had any inkling what she was like id have suggested we go but stay in a hotel.

The reason I said huge is (and sorry this is a drip feed) she was highly critical of every woman's appearance who came up. "Oh Shes the tiny one" "Shes the one with the strange hair" etc when describing. I was about 2/3 stone over my ok weight because I'd eaten all the cakes during pregnancy.

Yes it's why it's getting to me that's bothered me most I guess. I am paying attention to the few posts saying I wS rude to lie in as a way of trying to understand why someone would be so rude to a guest. Or to anyone. I suppose if she thought I was an uncouth idiot maybe it would help explain it.
But it happened after the initial strange comments so perhaps not.

Ive mentioned it to husband a few times and he acknowledges it was weird of her and not nice, that we won't stay again, and that I need to just forget it.

Maybe it gets to me because I felt vulnerable and she really went for it. And that feels very icky. Also I cringe at the idea of her telling mutual friends of our husbands that I was a terrible guest/rude whatever she will say.

Thank you everyone for your responses, it's really helping to hear your points of view on this. It has stayed in my head way too long

Might have to see her again at a wedding or something, but won't have to speak to her.

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StatementKnickers · 22/06/2020 10:05

YANBU, she sounds like a right bitch. Will you ever have to visit/see her again? Did your DH notice how she was behaving/did you talk to him about it?

PeopleAreAllWeveGot · 22/06/2020 10:05

@Patch23042

She sounds socially awkward.

Or maybe her husband is one of these men who leaves the grunt-work of hosting and domesticity to their wives, and she felt resentful so took it out on you (whilst being careful not to take it out on your children). I wonder whether she was simply told by her husband that his mate was coming for three days with wife and three kids (including a baby) and the assumption was that SHE would provide an “immaculate” house and “incredible” meals. Just a thought.....

Whatever the reason, your husband should have nipped it in the bud gently. Giving you a lie-in was his way of being kind to you possibly, but it would have been more helpful if he’d actually addressed her behaviour.

Do you know what? I think there's something in this. Her husband at one point said something about how t hey love to host and she responded v angrily "oh do WE. Interesting".

So yes perhaps she was pissed off we were there and I was the only one she could lash out at. Still though, I can't imagine ever thinking that was acceptable.

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Institutkarite · 22/06/2020 10:05

@PeopleAreAllWeveGot
She was definitely very very rude, a lie in until 10 am is ok, especially with a new baby and two other children.
I wonder why it's still bothering you now, is this a bit of Lockdown madness, where your life has changed so much it's easy to look back on better times...but this wasn't a better time.
Are you tormenting yourself about what you could have said but didn't?
Try not to dwell on her behaviour, try to put her out of your mind. It's easier said than done but give it a go.

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