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AIBU to ignore parents dietary wishes for their che

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Calmondeck · 21/06/2020 10:19

(For background, I’m in a country where things have reopened)

I am currently spending a lot of time with my brother’s 2 DC, giving him and his wife a few hours break from the kids each day (they were going batty in lockdown). The DC are on extremely strict diets for ethical/environmental reasons - v limited grain/carbs, no milk, no sugar, 1 small piece a fruit per day. We were recently at the park where some other parents expressed surprise at the small frame of one of the DC.

This DC (3yrs) is always asking me for food when we are alone together. We planned to have a picnic in the park (prepared/approved snacks from home) and were joined by a friend who brought homemade banana bread and butter. Before I could stop DC, she reached for the butter and popped the entire thing in her mouth. I was silently laughing to myself, but decided not to react to DC.

DC asks me for milk for her doll (which I put into a little toy bottle and she subsequently drinks herself / pretends to feed it to the doll if within eyesight of the parents), we also sometimes sneak in a natural yogurt on our trips together and grain crackers.

I am not a parent, but can imagine feeling frustrated if someone I trusted my children’s care to was defying my groundrules. At the same time, this child is underweight, and when I enquired with my brother about whether she eats all of her dinner (worried perhaps I was creating dinner time issues for them later at home) he said the DC always eats everything she is given. AIBU to continue this little eating charade when DC is in my care?

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randomer · 24/06/2020 20:11

No where does any body say " one small piece of fruit per day". These lunatics are starving their kids.

justforthecake · 24/06/2020 20:32

If you have her on her own op I'd weigh her if you can, then you can look at height weight charts and see where she falls.
If she is underweight then you can safely report knowing you aren't wrong.

theThreeofWeevils · 24/06/2020 20:34

@Itisbetter

Nb paleo diet is basically no grains/legumes and no processed food. I’m not sure it’s really going to kill you to have beans on baked potatoes instead of toast.
But baked beans, as well as being a processed food, ARE legumes, ffs
randomer · 24/06/2020 20:38

So the wee child could have half a banana and some strawberries maybe?

Nobody should be weighing anybody. Its utter nonsense. If it was some kid being fed burgers, everybody would complain.

OnceUponAMidnightBeery · 24/06/2020 20:45

@randomer

So the wee child could have half a banana and some strawberries maybe?

Nobody should be weighing anybody. Its utter nonsense. If it was some kid being fed burgers, everybody would complain.

No, because fruit is limited to one piece per day.
OnceUponAMidnightBeery · 24/06/2020 20:47

By the parents, not by paleo.

Itisbetter · 24/06/2020 20:53

@theThreeofWeevils apologies, replace beans with steak or bacon or chicken curry...now is it child abuse to stick it on mash instead of toast?

For all we know the parents said one piece of fruit because she has a cavity, or an upset tummy. OP found it funny that the child ate butter. She doesn’t exactly sound benign.

randomer · 24/06/2020 21:06

mash is a no no

randomer · 24/06/2020 21:26

Here we go folks......*Children should not eliminate these food groups, not only because it's restrictive, but also because they would miss out on important nutrients for growth and development.

"Many of the foods eliminated on a paleo diet provide nutrients children need, including carbohydrates, which are the body's primary energy source; calcium, which is important for bone growth and development; folate, needed for cell growth and development and found in whole grains; and fiber, which is important for bowel regularity, which can be an issue for many children," says culinary nutrition expert, and mother of twin girls, Jessica Levinson, M.S., R.D.N., C.D.N., founder of Small Bites by Jessica*.

Reluctantcavedweller · 24/06/2020 21:31

Reading this thread, I feel so sorry for those children whose parents are happy to impose their own dietary fads on them against medical advice. Based on some of the comments, this is more frequent than I would have guessed.

I hope anyone doing this is having their kids checked regularly for growth issues and deficiencies. Unless they are very, very careful, they are potentially causing them unnecessary suffering and setting them up for a lifetime of ill health (and a very odd relationship with food). The irony is that some of these kids would be better off in a house where it's fish fingers, chips and peas for dinner most nights (which no doubt the parents in question would view with horror 🙄!).

I can't imagine not giving my hungry child food. It would break my heart if he thought he had to hide it from me.

theThreeofWeevils · 24/06/2020 22:10

[quote Itisbetter]@theThreeofWeevils apologies, replace beans with steak or bacon or chicken curry...now is it child abuse to stick it on mash instead of toast?

For all we know the parents said one piece of fruit because she has a cavity, or an upset tummy. OP found it funny that the child ate butter. She doesn’t exactly sound benign.[/quote]
@Itisbetter, I expressed no view either way on 'abuse'. But fair to say I wouldn't give much weight to nutritional advice from anyone who doesn't know a legume from their elbow. Hmm

Steak and mash is borderline abusive, anyway: should be steak & chips.

Calmondeck · 25/06/2020 01:36

Thank you again for the wide range of replies, it gave me a lot to reflect on and to consider going into this discussion with my sibling. I appreciate the people explaining that their toddlers play act with tea parties / can eat a full meal and still want more etc. Also for people pointing out the child size varies substantially so the DC may not be underweight; overweight kids have been normalised. I can confirm the DC is definitely active, no chronic lethargy or skin issues as pointed out that might indicate malnutrition or deprivation of essential nutrients.

As such, I did stop to consider whether this was my own bias/perspective of her restrictive diet. I didn’t realise my own eating habits/body type would come up for discussion but I do understand those saying it’s relevant. For background, my sibling and I grew up with a stereotypical healthy, balanced diet (plenty of lean meats, fish, unlimited vegetables & fruits, wholegrain bread, nuts, Greek yogurt, cheese, occasional sweet treats and crisps on weekends). As an adult, I still consider my diet healthy (though I am not strict and have no dramas eating cake!) but my body type would probably be described as lanky. In senior school, a teacher pulled me aside for a chat to check I was eating properly, and I still remember feeling surprised, I’ve always eaten an absolute tonne but am long/lean.

It’s why with my niece I’ve hesitated thinking perhaps she has the same body type. The difference is (and I realise my life is not the gold standard to inflict on the child) food was always available to me as a kid and when I was hungry, I ate. I’m concerned about her always asking for food, and the creation of a potentially unhealthy relationship with food restriction in the future, as well as issues around acceptable foods vs forbidden foods. It’s why I didn’t react to her with the butter incident, if that’s what she wanted to eat then that’s ok. Some free choice, curiosity and experimentation as a kid is a good thing I think (even if in that moment I was a little amused that of everything on offer, the butter is what she would select. I did explain to her that butter is something people usually put on or in something else, but she wasn’t deterred).

I approached my sibling & wife over dinner, armed with wine. I explained my perspective, and told them that when I’ve been asked for milk, yogurt and crackers, I’ve simply provided the snacks without fuss or questioning whether mummy/daddy would like her to eat that. That I didn’t want to sneak behind their backs/rules, nor would I start feeding her junk if she suddenly started requesting it, but I would not restrict her from reasonably healthy foods that she is curious to eat. I also expressed my worry that she is very small compared with her peers, a fact that had been pointed out to me by strangers. And that I would be interested to know whether she was getting enough (and a range) of food.

They acknowledged that she is slim but not underweight, and that she gets plenty of calcium through salmon with bones, leafy greens and nuts. She eats a lot of meat and fish, and good fats like avocado and egg. I suggested that despite her young age, they were creating a scenario where she already knew to hide things from them, seeking forbidden things outside of the house. Fine while the forbidden thing is unflavoured Greek yogurt, not so great in the future.

It was a long conversation. They admitted they have difficulty getting her to eat breakfast, which explains her hunger later in the mornings. They were steadfast that she always has a big healthy lunch and dinner, and there are no problems there, but perhaps more snacking is required. We spoke about incorporating dairy into the diet for breakfast as she was clearly seeking it. We ended up googling organic brands that we can source locally, and agreed that she can eat these.

I gently suggested that a great start in life is a healthy body and diet, but a great start in life is also feeling encouraged to experiment and explore. They said they absolutely wish to have a child who is independent. They said they’ve been incredibly conscious not to contribute to a society where everything is about overproduction and overconsumption, but that perhaps their boundaries have been a little strict.They admitted they probably won’t have a choice once she gets more exposure to the outside world. I suggested that that was a good thing though, instead of dictating what she eats/when, they could instil good tools now about choice and recognising feeling hungry/full etc.

It felt like an ok start to what I pray is a fad. Obviously I realise the immediate and long term implications on my nieces health, so I will definitely take up those suggestions of feeding her up (if she is hungry). I’m unsure whether to follow the advice from some on weighing her... she does go to a doctor.

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FirstClassFlightHome · 25/06/2020 01:42

My DC do not drink milk and I would go FERAL if someone gave them milk behind my back. You sound very judgy, OP. You don't know if she just has a small frame naturally. Most of the DC I know are naturally skinny, regardless of diet.

AtaMarie · 25/06/2020 01:54

Wow OP, you did a great job broaching that, with diplomacy and tact! Sounds like your relationship with your sibling is really good, and your niece is lucky to have you as an aunt.

Calmondeck · 25/06/2020 01:55

Hi @FirstClassFlightHome, absolutely I understand active kids will be skinny, I was too. It was the combination of comments from strangers and behaviour from my niece that made me worry there was perhaps something more going on. I’m certainly not judging healthy diets, but was seeking advice on whether constant comments from a child that they’re hungry is normal.

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Elsewyre · 25/06/2020 05:11

@AtaMarie

Wow OP, you did a great job broaching that, with diplomacy and tact! Sounds like your relationship with your sibling is really good, and your niece is lucky to have you as an aunt.
Really? It sounds like the outcome was she lectured the parents they ignored her rambling and then shes decided shes going to start "feeding her up" and weighing her without the parents knowledge?
Calmondeck · 25/06/2020 06:16

Goodness no, I meant to imply I don’t see my role as weighing her and that she does have a doctor (so surely if a qualified medical professional is concerned they’ll take the necessary checks). I hope I didn’t lecture, I have no experience of child nutrition! I simply didn’t want to deceive, and they have now googled preferred brands of foods for me to buy that aligns with their views

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JustC · 25/06/2020 06:33

OP, you did great. I'm glad they took what you said on board, and it didn't lead to a fall out between you and them.

Beautiful3 · 25/06/2020 07:30

I think you did great talking to them about it. At least they're aware she needs extra snacks and some dairy. I remember my friend telling me years ago, how worried she was about her brothers children as her SIL and brother cut out sugar. When they went to parties, they were never allowed a piece of birthday cake nor party food. They never had anything with processed sugar in. Those children are teenagers now and independent. Outside of the home those teens now buy junk food, and eat it. I think it's better to teach a healthy diet and that you can have treats in moderation, e g the weekend.

Cupoftchaiagain · 25/06/2020 07:42

Well done op. Now dont forget your concern for your niece but watch and wait and see if her parents take what you’ve said on board and if she starts eating breakfast. How is the older child , is he/she a sibling?

RAOK · 25/06/2020 08:13

@AtaMarie

Wow OP, you did a great job broaching that, with diplomacy and tact! Sounds like your relationship with your sibling is really good, and your niece is lucky to have you as an aunt.
I agree!
Reluctantcavedweller · 25/06/2020 08:16

Good job OP for raising it.

Also, you have a lot more tolerance then I have. Your DB and SIL are very lucky to have your help... I would love some family help here. When I'm babysitting, it's eat what we eat (only exceptions are religious/medical needs).

BigChocFrenzy · 25/06/2020 08:48

Well done OP

Worrying that several pp defend parents' "rights" to give their child such a restricted fad diet
instead of the child's rights to hve the full range of nutrients they need, not to be hungry and not to be started on the road to an ED

Oliversmumsarmy · 25/06/2020 09:07

Can I ask why she goes to a doctor.

Mine at that sort of age never went near a doctor from one year to the next.

Calmondeck · 25/06/2020 09:28

@ Oliversmumsarmy they are doing A delayed schedule of vaccinations. But that’s a whole other kettle of fish Confused

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