To think it's ironic about Niqab and face coverings

[IsntItIronicDontYouThink]

Just thought about this and how ironically, face coverings have become mandatory on public transports and it makes me think of Muslim women (Niqab wearing women specifically) who've had a hard time because of their face coverings to now find that everyone has to cover their faces (for different reasons yes but still ironic, isn't it?)

Googled to see if anyone else mentions this. Here's a piece I found about it (There's more but just picked this one).

www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/06/12/face-mask-compulsory-muslim-women-12838585/amp/

I do wish we were all covered in fur. Then we could all be both covered and uncovered at the same time, and none of this would be an issue. Rather more attractive too.

Although in today’s heat, it might have been a trifle uncomfortable.

I do wish we were all covered in fur

Some of us pretty much are after WFH for months.

Honestly Venus that would be the best solution to all this judgement and angst!

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/face-covering-mask-racism-muslim-hate-crime-niqab-burqa-a9587476.html

Or in countries hot enough to be completely naked - the garden of Eden etc - nudity rules okay in my book!

The 'othering' of people in the guise of accusing them of not integrating enough. Can't you see that the 'them and us' rhetoric is complete anathema to tolerance and understanding?

But the difference is real. And it is a very deep and serious conflict, if we are talking about how much freedom women are allowed to have. It is not a trivial issue. Freedom is not a trivial issue. Are you seriously suggesting that immigrants, people of another culture, should be allowed to come here to our culture and retain their own laws and customs which are in direct conflict with ours, in direct conflict with the idea of equality and tolerance which they are using? That they should make no attempt to integrate, and instead start claiming that their laws and customs that impinge on our freedoms here are actually ours and must therefore be 'understood'? Are the countries you come from really so indulgent that they would permit us western women to do the same there? There is plenty of evidence that they do not actually want to permit us our own freedoms and customs in our own country, that they disapprove of women having freedom and equal status here.

I'm afraid you cannot simply pretend that the conflict does not exist, or is trivial enough to ignore. No good reasons have been given here for tolerating it, and there are plenty of empirical reasons - the impact on women here - why we should not.

As I have posted earlier on another thread please find below the medical science behind face coverings in case of interest.

I am no expert on the viral medical scientific protection properties of traditional fundamental religious clothing that are enforced or freely consciously self selected by a minority of consenting women. Each to their own but stay safe as whether you are young or old, female or male, atheist or extreme fundamentally religious under control of select superior males with separate relaxed religious requirements then perhaps consider your health first before anything else!?

Why Masks Work - How Well Do Masks Work? Schlieren Imaging in Slow Motion:

See the science and choose accordingly!

I'm not surprised @Muslima2020 left the thread. This is not a respectful or inclusive space. It demonstrates why Black Feminism has developed separately to White Feminism, and why Muslim women discuss women's rights within their own spheres. They are fed up being othered and talked down to by those who refuse to understand them yet are convinced they know best.

In the spirit of @IsntItIronicDontYouThink 's original post:

We are not othering muslims. You are doing that yourselves. You are doing that if you want to keep your own laws and customs in a different space. I'm sorry if you do not feel that that is inclusive enough to suit you, but the definition of a country is the ability to set its own laws and customs. Muslims do not set those of Britain.

I wore a mask for a few hours today and it was hot and slightly isolating in that in made it harder to visually communicate and talk to others. Anyone who thinks women and young girls should be covered up like this are sick in the head. And I don’t care if it is ‘cultural’ - so is FGM and it’s vile too. If women don’t want to be objectified, start by bringing up your sons and teaching your husbands not to objectify women.

It is Muslims that have changed, not the rest of us in the UK. I previously posted up links showing the extent of the change. We did not force this on you. You are forcing your change on us, and then complaining because we do not like it. There is no reason why we should.

I don't know what either of you are so het up about. It's not the country that's exclusive it's your attitude. I'm not breaking any laws or trying to enact new ones, just going about my lawful business as I would expect others to do too. If I don't like how a woman is dressed I'll keep my opinion to myself unless she asks for it. Respect must work both ways. Pepperwort you are othering because you keep using words like 'UK', 'Britain', 'country', 'you' and 'us', as though Britain and Islam are mutually exclusive, as though all Muslims come from somewhere else, and there are no grounds other than religion upon which people might form connections with one another. 'Own laws and customs in a different space' - that doesn't make any sense. If I become a punk, am I inventing my own laws and customs in a different space? A lolita, a nudist, a goth, a witch, a stripper - anything at all. Whole point of freedom is that it allows all forms of self-expression, not just those that you think are right and proper.

Not all forms. There are limits. Islam did come to Britain from somewhere else; its extreme and fundamentalist forms with extreme dress has done so very recently. More to the point, I was responding to people talking about immigrants.

There have been very extreme views floating around about how Britain and the British must be adapted to serve the needs of immigrants more than our own culture. I'm sorry but they increasingly sound like the whining of spoilt children quite frankly.

I don't know what either of you are so het up about Don't flatter yourself. I'm seeing less of the extreme forms of dress around at the moment, for whatever reason - it gives me a small ray of hope that some rationality is returning.

Laws and customs are not the same thing.