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Napqueen1234 · 17/06/2020 19:32

No judgement here. I want to know what you do day to day that works for you/your family but others may think are a bit crazy or controversial.

Today I told a friend that every day when kids are in bed (3 and 1) I tidy the whole downstairs and put all toys away so I can have a completely toy/child free evening. we just have one living room so all their toys downstairs are there and I can’t relax unless it’s tidy. It takes maybe 5/10 mins and is so worth it. My friend was shocked and said she could never be bothered to do that every day (fair enough) and thought it was mad considering it gets immediately destroyed by 6:30 the next morning. I wouldn’t even consider not tidying but to each their own and wouldn’t matter to me if someone else didn’t!

Ok not particularly controversial but anyone else have anything more juicy??

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Mothership4two · 18/06/2020 04:35

I too left ds1 asleep in car on drive and probably over used the swing seat. When he was around 4 weeks we woke up in the morning and found him sound asleep in it (in our room). We had used it in desperation to get some sleep, meaning to move him when he dropped off, and fell asleep probably in utter exhaustion. We felt like baaad parents.

My other controversial thing was to leave a bottle of water in the cot. Both ds often would wake, drink a little, have a play and go back to sleep. It usually bought me an extra half hour and sometimes a whole hour.

I am Mrs Untidy, but I always cleared toys away after putting the boys to bed. I had a big chest in the sitting room for this purpose.

WinWinnieTheWay · 18/06/2020 04:56

We like our sleep so I have never gone with my DC wake up at 5 so I get up then. When my DC wake that early they were given an iPad to watch until it was at least 7am. All of my DC sleep in until around 7.30 or later now.
I'm sure that I'll be judged as lazy, but I'm a much more enthusiastic, patient and attentive parent when I've had my rest.

BertieBotts · 18/06/2020 05:59

@bringincrazyback

Those who say you don't punish your kids - how do you teach consequences? (Genuinely interested, not being snarky.)
I probably have moved on to using some generic punishments/stuff like that for motivation purposes now DS1 is older, and have defo gone to them in frustration at various points, but in general I do think it's possible to parent without it.

Essentially, when they're very little you take the approach of preventing/interrupting them doing whatever it is rather than letting them do it and then punishing them in the hope they will learn a negative association with it. This is more effective and is still just as consistent (or can be). With DS2 (big age gap) I use the janet lansbury phrase of "I won't let you do that /I don't want you to (describe thing)" and then redirect to what you want. It is no less effective than time out. But he is not quite two and is much more self controlled than his brother was at this age.

I've always struggled personally with the scenario where you need them to do something on some kind of time scale and they refuse. Like getting shoes on etc. Ideally you just build in enough time supposedly (but don't wait around too long because that gives them too much power) and go with "confident momentum" - DC2 is not in his stage yet so I'll wait and see if my new skills get me through it or maybe he won't be such a pain with this kind of thing as his brother was. Or it will be a non issue as we now have a car that we can just chuck him in and go. I've never felt comfortable threatening punishment to get them to hurry up though either so it's just not a great scenario! I'm better at time management myself now so will see if it's easier with that context.

Generally take the approach that they are trying their best and learning, rather than assuming wilful laziness /disobedience /selfishness etc. So you approach it from a learning standpoint, OK, DC doesn't know how to handle this situation yet whatever it is whether that's frustration with another child or managing their screen time use or other time management.

Problem solving is also usually a good approach for older ones. Sometimes that comes up with a genuine compromise and sometimes this is where you can build in reward/penalty into a system (e.g. Chore schedule with reward for doing more/finishing early and penalty if not done by a certain time) which IME they generally welcome and agree to as long as you involve them in creating the system. Some folk still describe this as "no punishment" but I think if you're being pedantic you could say it's a kind of punishment.

Some people say they do the natural consequences thing but I reckon it's a bit of a buzz word and not that meaningful. Example often used is kid refusing to take a jumper is allowed to be cold because they know their own mind, I did this but I also wouldn't have punished them for not wanting to put a jumper on, seems a bit dramatic? And sometimes you need them to wear shoes if it's raining or there's often broken glass on your street or whatever. Because the natural consequence of getting wet socks or cut feet would be too cruel/annoying to deal with. Or they use it like if you make a mess, you clean it, which is fair, but it's not natural consequences. The natural consequence of making a mess is that now there's a mess. 99% of kids won't care. And they would need your help to connect the idea that their toys/home will get broken, lost, dirty or they don't have space to play (but this would be the kind of thing you could explain while helping them or teaching them a system for cleaning up).

Discussion about consequences does happen over the course of everyday life too as long as you take the chance to notice it and point it out. There will be times when they see you mess up and you can explain ok, we missed this because I was late. Or they will have spent all their pocket money and now they want something else, tough - need to wait. Not punishing doesn't mean insulating them from ever feeling the consequences of their own actions. You may also just reframe things. Instead of "You hurt Tom. Now you go into time out." you might point out "You hurt Tom. Now he is sad." then you'd judge on how they react to that, maybe it's ok to let them go back and play if they seem to understand and feel remorse or want to make amends. Maybe it's better if you take them elsewhere if they're feeling too angry or excitable to play safely. Of course that assumes there is another adult available to comfort Tom.

You can think about the value or action you're trying to discourage /encourage and generally reinforce that (building up habits and routine for personal hygiene, always praising/noticing/modelling kindness, etc).

Then there are a load of issues with punishment in general that make it a low priority choice. It tends to make children feel angry, afraid or resentful. It's only with years of hindsight you feel your parents/teachers were right and most people can still remember instances of punishment they felt were injust. Fear/anger clouds the child's capacity to learn from the event so it's a slower and less effective process than skill teaching, habit forming or so on. If kids are scared of punishment they may not trust you with information they think you'll disapprove of, which can be a problem during the teen years, by which time most punishments have lost their effect anyway, so it's useful to have a foundation of other options. (Disclaimer: have not quite got to the teen bit yet!)

Sorry this was supposed to be brief, but it ended up very long which is usually the problem! As I said I haven't really applied it perfectly. DH is also more likely to turn more quickly to punishment than me. I don't like it and feel it's a last resort or a sign I'm not really managing myself very well whereas he finds it a useful tool and doesn't feel guilty about it.

Pinkypie86 · 18/06/2020 06:49

No baby gates, no play pens and no locks on the cupboard under the sink!
If I say No, I mean it.
No dummies, or prolonged beaker/bottles.
Bedtime routines always worked for us - bath, snack and In the night garden.
No food upstairs, ever!
No baby puree crap.
If they refused coats or jumpers, the " fine, don't moan when your cold " routine works great.
Bribery with a small amount of pennies or chocolate.
If something stays on the floor after I've asked 3 times - it's binned.
As they get older they have a voice - their opinions are valid, although I get the final say.
Speak to them honestly about life being bloody hard work.
Eldest is 17 and she is a dream - clearly something I've done has worked.
Trial and error though, isn't it? What works for one family, won't work for another.

letsgomaths · 18/06/2020 07:04

@BertieBotts A lot of what you said about punishment rang true with me. I often didn't tell my parents things, because I was afraid of being punished, especially as a teenager. Instead I lied and covered things up, which got me into more trouble, and led to a lot of distrust on both sides.

I also found that if I became good at something, I was made to do more of it. For example, if I was good at school subjects, my mum (a teacher) kept giving me extra work in them, calling it "extra homework", "holiday work", etc. I didn't say so, but I resented my free time being eaten into in this way, so I think I deliberately did not make an effort. Likewise, if I expressed any fascination with housework, I ended up doing it. As a teenager, I felt that I had been tricked, so "learned helplessness" came in.

ThatLockdownLyfe · 18/06/2020 07:46

@Userzzz

That's not controversial that's abusive.

It's better for the child to go in time out than to be hit.

If you can't see that then you are an abusive parent.

OutComeTheWolves · 18/06/2020 08:26

I don't smack, but a smack on the bum is not abusive lockdownlyf.

BertieBotts · 18/06/2020 08:29

maths I suppose that comes under the label of "just talk to them" - I can totally see the appeal (as a fellow teacher :o) of giving DC extra work to stretch them, or in DS1's case to actually just keep him occupied, but like you say, if it ends up being resented then it may well backfire. But if you actually talk to DC and see if they're interested in improving in whatever area, then they might actually be open to some extra tasks etc. Especially if they know they can say actually I'm a bit bored with this.

Likewise with jobs etc - perhaps your mum was trying to be fair in dividing the household tasks by assigning ones you didn't seem to mind as much, but actually having a discussion about it maybe you'd have said "Actually, what I prefer is variety, can't we have a rota instead?"

Am sure teens are not really that reasonable :o but it's probably better to have a discussion rather than just foist something on them.

BroomHandledMouser · 18/06/2020 08:34

I send my 8 and 10 year old up to their rooms if I’m in dire straits.

I’m talking 2 hours plus, especially if we’re all annoyed with each other.

Turns out ok because they then build Lego and actually play with toys, and mummy gets to watch The Real Housewife’s and eat chocolate by herself.

Nutrigrainygoodness · 18/06/2020 08:37

I let dd (10) watch TV shows that aren't wholy appropriate.
In lockdown we've watched
Friends
Brooklyn 99
Hells kitchen
Ashes to ashes
Life on Mars

She doesn't have a screen time limit, she just turns it off when she wants (she's actually very good, if she refused to get off her phone etc I would have to do something about it)

She is allowed to eat her meals in her bedroom as long as she brings everything down when she's finished.

Friday night and Saturday night she doesnt have a bedtime, as long as she's in her room by 9- sometimes I hear her on facetime to her mates at 10.30pm

I don't take her phone off her at night, very very occasionally she has nightmares and instead of shouting for me or coming upstairs to my room she will phone me.

MrsNoah2020 · 18/06/2020 08:38

I've always struggled personally with the scenario where you need them to do something on some kind of time scale and they refuse. Like getting shoes on etc.

Oh god, what is it with kids & shoes? You can shoe a horse in less time than it takes a pre-schooler to put her wellies on Grin

Etinox · 18/06/2020 08:42

@GrumpyHoonMain

I discipline my 6 mo. He gets a 30s time out (I put sit him on my knee with his back to me) every time he bites me during a feed. This has stopped the attention seeking bites and now he will pause feeds to chew on his bib when his gums are itchy before resuming. My mum was horrified.
That’s really sweet. You’re not so much disciplining him just gently showing him consequences. I love the time out 30 seconds facing away.
lockdownbreakdown · 18/06/2020 08:43

My three year old is not allowed to get up before 7am. He can use the toilet but its back to bed afterwards. We started this training at 3 months old so his body clock would start to sinc and he would naturally wake at 7am. It worked and I dont have to cope with early starts.

notheragain4 · 18/06/2020 08:47

I've always struggled personally with the scenario where you need them to do something on some kind of time scale and they refuse. Like getting shoes on etc.

This is where I am controversial. My kids would never refuse anything like that, because they know I wouldn't stand for it. When I list consequences to actions (or not actioning!) I mean them, and they know that. Yes I will shout if I needed to, but when you are firm and consistent you very rarely need to anyway as they know the boundaries.

I also have a mum stare.

eatsleepread · 18/06/2020 08:48

I love those of you who are ever so slightly borderline negligent. I can relate to you so much more than the perfects Grin

Milicentbystander72 · 18/06/2020 09:01

I'm not sure if it's a 'tip' but here goes....

I have teens dd15 and ds13. I don't have, and never have had a rule on screen time. As long as homework is done, they engage in family life/social life/hobbies, they get up for school with no bother.....it's up to them to self regulate.

As they've got older - ds is one of the few in his peer group who doesn't have any games console or is into online gaming. He is massively into comedy and film. He watches Youtube and lots and lots of films. He writes is own hobby 'screenplays' and films small animations on his laptop.

Dd15 is also massively into film and tv, doing well at school. Excelling in Drama and English. Even though she has unlimited screen time she puts very little of her life/herself on social media and is fairly savvy to the attention seeking and clickbate posts.

pre-COVID Our family outings were to our local independent cinema which they both describe as their 'happy place'.

During lock down we've had 'family film club' where each family member chooses a film of their choice and we all must watch even if we don't fancy it. It's been great to watch things that some of us would never have considered. From Parasite to CoCo.

I've also never been strict on age restrictions with my two and also always answered any questions from sex to politics.
I've also let them have a small taste of alcohol at a young age with us at home. As a family we not big alcohol drinkers though.
Considering that dd has already been to a few parties with alcohol and had to look after several friends who have got completely wasted and out of control, I'm hoping that she's approaching alcohol is a more measured way as she grows up.

Sorry, if this post sounds smug (I think it sounds a bit smug). I honestly am making it up as I go along and teens bring with them numerous problems and worries that I never dreamed of.....screen time has been a fairly positive thing for us.

notheragain4 · 18/06/2020 09:07

@Milicentbystander72 yes it's funny as I have no issue with TV, I'm a tv addict myself and watch it for most of the day. I still exercise, do work, eat at the table etc but I enjoy Tv. I've never really restricted TV, but do struggle with gaming, also watching YouTubers play games oh that does my head in. So I do try and regulate that but not always, for an easier life.

My eldest likes football so I don't worry about him too much, but my youngest would just play games all day if I let him so I do worry about him a bit.

anxietrist · 18/06/2020 09:10

Come on people tv is not controversial! Love the twins on dog leads though 😁

HelloMissus · 18/06/2020 09:15

Mine are now all in university. Happy healthy souls who seem to enjoy life and have big plans for the future.

I worked all their lives, because I absolutely wanted to not because I had to. And yeah, I’d do that again. 100%

I never much worried about screen time, or what they ate etc Again I’d do that again.

I’d worry a hell of a lot less about their education (they went to great schools so I didn’t need to be as involved as I was).

AJPTaylor · 18/06/2020 09:16

When my older girls were teens, a quid off pocket money for every unborn item in the laundry basket. If I found the same item more than twice it went in the charity bin bag in the garage. Charity bin bag though only actually went to charity twice a year. When they were moaning about nothing to wear, I would retrieve said item, stating I had "found" it. Kept me entertained.

AJPTaylor · 18/06/2020 09:16

Unworn clearly not unborn

Milicentbystander72 · 18/06/2020 09:18

Apologies I thought the words 'unlimited screen time' was akin to child abuse on MN 😂

Also letting dcs have alcohol.

Gumbo · 18/06/2020 09:26

@BatShite Probably the most controversial thing I did (though not a tip at all) was putting DD into her own room at 2 weeks.

We moved DS from beside our bed to the dressing room at 2 weeks, then to his own room at 5 weeks - which wasn't even on the same floor as us! It's amazing how much better we all slept he was noisy little thing and I kept on thinking he was awake as he grunted so much beside my bed that I'd go to pick him up and found I'd actually woken him

Also did a version of controlled crying at about 7 weeks Blush - it worked like a charm.

pinkyboots1 · 18/06/2020 09:42

I'm glad I'm not the only one who toilet trained my kids by 'paying' them in chocolate! It worked super quick and when they 'graduated' they got a big bar of chocolate.
If something works for you then go for it, we're all different and that's exactly how it should be x

AvocadosBeforeMortgages · 18/06/2020 09:49

Some of these tips remind me of this programme - it was actually very sensible, but it came in for a lot of flak from people who just saw the title and didn't watch the programme www.channel4.com/programmes/train-your-baby-like-a-dog

Reading this I realise I've been using natural consequences with [rescue] DDog for a long time - for instance, if he has bad manners and gets snapped at by another dog it's his own fault (he's not allowed to do anything seriously obnoxious, and actually developed lovely manners now). Likewise, I pick my battles - chasing squirrels is allowed, chasing bicycles isn't...

My own childhood involved a lot of benign neglect - which probably did me good. I have previously had to teach a 28 year old lodger how to do laundry, as up until that point his mother had done it for him Shock I had been doing my own from the age of 11/12. If I wanted clean clothes, I needed to wash them!

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