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To think this baby is my grandchild?

270 replies

mishahotit · 13/06/2020 21:00

Posting here for advice on how to handle it as I really don’t want to cause anyone any upset but I’m not sure I can just sit on my hands and ignore this. Am fully prepared to be told I’m a nosy old cow who should mind her own business.

DS was 19 in May. He has suffered from depression for years which has been worsened by the pandemic. He unfortunately smokes weed to cope with it but it just makes him worse, not that he’ll be told that. He is on furlough from his part time job and so has his own money to pay for it, I can’t stop him. All I do is ban it in my house and he’ll smoke in the local park. He has started having mental breakdowns every few weeks, panic attacks, verbal abuse etc. I have tried to get him to quit the weed and seek help but he won’t.

He had a short term girlfriend last year, from around February to July. It fizzled out and he dumped her. Other than college and work, DS hasn’t had much going on since. She was a lovely girl, I saw her often and liked her but of course she was out of our lives after the split.

Yesterday I was browsing Facebook and she came up in the “people you may know” section. I clicked her profile, not sure why I did but I think I may have been wondering how her mum was doing as she was awaiting an illness diagnosis when her and DS were together. Saw a few pictures of a newish looking baby, assumed it was a relative or a friends baby or something. But then get to a post dated mid-March, a picture of her in hospital holding a newborn and people congratulating her in the comments. As you can imagine, cogs started turning and I had a bit of a ‘hang on a minute’ moment. They split in July last year, March means baby would have been conceived just before then.

I looked (and keep looking as I am so stunned) at the pictures of this baby again and he really does resemble DS at that age. It’s uncanny. I really do think this is DS’s baby and I don’t know what to do. It’s not just going off gut feeling is it as the dates do add up. Except since the split DS hasn’t mentioned her to me at all, certainly no baby.

So I’ve come to the conclusion that there are 3 possibilities. 1. DS has no clue that this child even exists. They met online, no mutual friends so I find it possible. 2. DS has noticed/she has told him but he is avoiding it. Sadly this is something I see him doing in his current state. 3. DS and her have spoken and it’s been confirmed somehow it isn’t his.

I cannot stop thinking about the whole situation and I don’t know what to do. Can’t even look at DS knowing it’s possible he has a child out there that he is avoiding. Haven’t mentioned it to him as he hates me having anything to do with his life and will likely kick off. Have thought about messaging the girl but the last thing I want is to come in all guns blazing into this girl’s life. If there’s a possibility it’s DS’s he needs to contact her, not me.

I’d really appreciate some advice on how to handle it as I’m struggling keeping it all in. As I said, I really don’t want to cause anyone any upset.

OP posts:
VenusClapTrap · 14/06/2020 10:09

I could not walk away from a potential grandchild unless I was asked to do so by both parents.

I would send the nice, congratulatory message that has already been suggested by a pp. Don’t mention your sons’s problems; not initially. It’s not fair on her.

Then just take things from there.

woodpidgeons · 14/06/2020 10:18

Yeah, (gently) message the mother as other PP have suggested. Good luck xx

callmeadoctor · 14/06/2020 10:23

If I had just had a baby and had split up with my druggie boyfriend who wasn't interested, I definitely wouldn't want his mother contacting me.

Mabelface · 14/06/2020 10:23

How about contacting the girl's mum and asking her? Go gently, that you know you're son isn't father material and you're not planning on involving him, but would the girl be open to some contact between you and her and the baby.

AwwDontGo · 14/06/2020 10:24

I’m shocked anyone thinks it’s a god idea for the OP to discuss her sons mental health issues with anyone else let alone an ex girlfriend. That would be an unforgivable breach of privacy.

sashh · 14/06/2020 10:32

I'd sleep on it, and think about her situation.

If you do decide to contact her I'd make it a private message and be a little vague. Give her a get out.

Something like, Hi X congratulations on your little one. I can remember how hard it is being a new mum, if there is anything I can do to help, either practically or just to talk to, please let me know. I am here if you need me now, or in the future. I do absolutely understand if you do not want my support so I won't contact you again. I wish you a world of happiness with your baby, Love...

Andwoooshtheyweregone · 14/06/2020 10:34

Op only you know this girl and only you know how she would respond to a message. Everyone on here can only advise on how they might feel. If I was In the girls shoes I would be happy to hear from a kind person who expected nothing from me. But the girl in question may not feel the same as me so OP only you know what’s best to do here. But from what it sounds like you’ll not get the truth from your son so if you really want to know then maybe going to her is the best bet. Maybe she’d be happy to have you involved and not your son (if you’re willing for that and don’t push for your son to be involved). Who knows what will happen?

HappyMealWithLegs · 14/06/2020 10:37

Of course you can. You don’t have any rights even if you were the child’s grandparent, and your son isn’t in a fit state to be a father

She’s not in contact because she doesn’t want either of you involved and you need to respect that. Trying to contact her, ask her who she’s had sex with or attempting to make her responsible for why your son is like he is is unacceptable

I agree with this completely. Realistically this woman has chosen not to make contact for a very good reason. Leave her alone. I can't see what good you think will come of it, other than for your own benefit. You have no rights and it isn't about you. If she wanted you to know, she would have told you. It speaks volumes that she hasn't.

Heartlake · 14/06/2020 10:40

Your son, and his exgf are both adults. If you have a duty to anyone, I would say it's to your son. Don't be distracted by the thoughts of newborn snuggles with a baby who may not even be related to you.

It sounds like your son is dealing with something - I would say probably the knowledge that he is a father whether he likes it or not.

If you stick to the facts then there's only one version of events. Your son may be a stoner but give him some tough love.

"Oh I saw Lucy's profile on FB the other day. She's got a baby now. Did you know? Do you want to talk about it? And I'm worried that you're really not yourself at the moment. Let's have a chat."

One way or the other I'm sure he's struggling about what to do. I'm sure he'd appreciate you opening the door to discuss what he is going to do about it. And if he and the exgf want nothing to do with each other (for now anyway, if indeed it is his child) then leave him (and her) to it.

It's a sad situation but he is potentially a father. He needs to deal with this factually and then decide what his response is going to be - whether he's the father or not.

UpsetMummyofOne · 14/06/2020 11:42

I think dropping it casually into conversation that you have noticed "ex" has a new baby and see what reaction you get.

I completely understand why you want to know, and I would be the same.

If younger nowhere by speaking to your son, I think sending the friendly message that was outlines above suggesting coffee and cake when the shops open sounds lovely and hopefully will be well received.

Wattagoose90 · 14/06/2020 12:13

Just seen your update, I think that approach might be a good one. No messing around, just upfront and clear.

I definitely think speaking to your son is a must, first. Doesn't have to be accusatory, just "I've seen that ex has had a baby. Did you know and are you OK?", then let him do the talking...

FizzyGreenWater · 14/06/2020 12:24

Just one word of advice, whatever you find out and whatever shape your message takes - do not use the words 'my grandson'. Not 'your' anything.

'I was wondering if the baby could by my grandson' - NO.

'I was wondering whether it were possible that your baby's father could be DS' - much, much less 'Here I am with my claim to your baby'.

'Your baby' - every step of the way (as in, her baby!)

It is a slightly subconscious thing but do not even give a whiff of you contacting as someone with a 'right'. Because that really is not the case and if the situation is that she does know your DS is the father but has no wish to pursue it - well, from what you've said about him, she's right :(

Whatisinaname1223 · 14/06/2020 12:50

In greece its mandatory all 18 year old men join the army may be encourage your son to join give him some motivation

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 14/06/2020 13:40

How about contacting the girl's mum and asking her?

Absolutely not.

This woman is an adult, and a parent. She makes the choices in her own life and doesn't need anyone discussing her private business and choices behind her back. That's a horrendous position to put her mother in too, especially of she is also ill.

RachelGreen45 · 14/06/2020 13:44

‘I feel the need to ask about baby, while also stating I know she doesn’t owe me anything and I completely understand if she ignores and blocks me, and say I have no intentions of pushing anything with baby’

Just this part OP I wouldn’t be at all surprised if your son knows about the baby if it’s his, and has snubbed her and her child. I know quite a few ‘boys’ of a similar age with this set up, in fact I know of 2 brothers both with children that they actively snub and their DM has no idea she’s got 2 grandchildren. The girl might think you already know, she could think your sons told you and your just choosing to ignore the child.
If this is the case she probably couldn’t give a shiny shit about your son and won’t be interested in helping him.

timeisnotaline · 14/06/2020 13:49

I’d be concerned she didn’t want ds to know. Is he her Facebook friend as well? Which means I’d be very tempted to send a kind message saying feel free to ignore, I heard you have a baby and when I saw your profile pic it looked so much like ds, so given dates I was wondering? I haven’t mentioned it to ds as that’s up to you. I know this might be overreaching but if he/she is my grandchild I’d love very much to be in their life, on your terms of course. perhaps with a photo of baby ds ?

Ivyr0se · 14/06/2020 13:54

I think you need to ask your son did he get her pregnant. If you can't ask him that without him going mad at you then I would go very low contact with him. I wouldn't support him or enable him in any way. Especially if he is now a father he needs to take responsibility for himself first.

If you decide to contact her do not mention your son's issues shes already knows more than you probably. Let her enjoy being a new mam without having to worry about her ex.

Springisintheair2 · 14/06/2020 14:00

Not to freak you out but DD's dad's parents found out about DD, he told them I was crazy and it wasn't his baby, it was someone else's. I didn't let up, I could handle him not wanting to be her dad, but I couldn't handle him lying to people, depriving them of a chance to have another grandchild. In the end, a paternity test was done confirming he was the dad. He's now a great dad and sees her a lot, he just had to grow up a bit. I WISH his family had reached out to me, I was 19 at the time and felt very adrift. If its not your sons baby, no harm no foul. Do message her

LonginesPrime · 14/06/2020 14:47

3 possibilities. 1. DS has no clue that this child even exists. They met online, no mutual friends so I find it possible

This doesn't seem likely, given she popped up on 'people you may know'. Chances are she's popped up on his too and it's far more likely that he's aware.

I would stay out of it, personally. And if you're going to talk to anyone about it, talk to your DS.

She knows you exist so if the baby is DS's and she wants the child to meet you, she knows where you are.

SunshineCake · 14/06/2020 14:53

I think the fact your son is such a shit to you means he deposit deserve the respect of you asking.

I am the child who had a relationship with her fathers mum and none at all with my dick head father.

A nice gentle message. No talk of resemblance though. Just an offer of whatever assistance you want to give and will be consistent in.

Tell him when he stops swearing at you and disrespecting you.

SunshineCake · 14/06/2020 14:54

Ffs he doesn't

Splitsunrise · 14/06/2020 14:54

I think you should message and see how she is Flowers

SunshineCake · 14/06/2020 14:58

Using mum to mum as a way of getting information is a shitty way to go about things ime.

VenusTiger · 14/06/2020 14:58

@mishahotit please don't write to the ex gf about your DS's problems - they're not her concern anymore and she doesn't need to know about them. Can you write your DS a long letter that he's less likely to say "piss off" to? Can you tell him you love him, find some scientific evidence about how weed changes your personality and effects your brain and quote it - tell him he's at the beginning of his life which can be wonderful if he can get out of this dark hole. Don't mention ex gf or baby in the letter, deal first with his MH issues and how he should open up to you - if writing him letters for a few months helps him to open up, I'd go with that for now. Don't ever talk about the letters though, just keep communicating on paper and reminding him of all the great positives in his life so far, talk about his childhood etc. talk about his future, all the opportunities out there, the lifestyle he can achieve and it's all up to him to go out and find it.
As for the ex gf I do think you need to let her know that you don't know but not now - deal with your DS first. Be careful with blame and guilt, they are not good for depression.

Lsquiggles · 14/06/2020 15:08

I wouldn't message her, it's very intrusive and not your place, even if you have good intentions by doing so. Speak to your son, you will be able to tell from his immediate reaction if he knows or not (although I suspect his current behaviour is due to his ex/the baby imo)