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WTAF - Far right protests

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Poppi89 · 12/06/2020 11:18

I have just heard on the radio that far-right protesters will be out tomorrow in response to the BLM protesters. People are being urged not to be out in support of BLM tomorrow due to the aggressive nature of the far-right group and BLM protests are being cancelled because of them.

I am outraged by this. The BLM protesters are asking for people to not be killed due to the colour of their skin. They have rightly or wrongly made a decision to put themselves at risk of COVID-19 to help spread this message - a lot of people have called them idiots etc for doing this.

The far-right protests are now also protesting in large groups (but not in response to a murder) and are 'known' for being aggressive. How is this acceptable?

I would like to hear from anyone who is planning to join/agree with these far-right protests and their reasons why?

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Boudicabooandbulldogs · 12/06/2020 20:18

@YounghillKang,
Yes I was absolutely fuming, I live near the route and my village protested. We will do again after lockdown, if they can’t admit it’s a waste of money and a destruction of natural habitat.

OneForMeToo · 12/06/2020 20:22

I don’t agree with hs2, People are all to happy To pave over the countryside and pollute the world for their fast travels. I also don’t fly.

happinessischocolate · 12/06/2020 20:23

Just because a statue or monument has been boarded up, do you think vandals cant just rip the boarding down? Vandals usually come well prepared. Ideally it would be the police protecting them but....

I don't think they're been boarded up to protect them from graffiti, I think it's to stop them from being "protected" by BF and the far right.

Majority of the "protectors" probably won't even know what statue is behind the boarding and might find themselves guarding Nelson Mandela's statue by mistake 😁

YounghillKang · 12/06/2020 20:24

It's concerning that so many people think the far right are thugs but are blinded to the violent authoritarianism of the left.

The thread is focused on the far right, read the OP's post! It has attracted a number of posters who are either excusing the politics of the far right or denying that the far right are even the far right. I'm not sure how those who wish to correct that rewriting of reality are necessarily far left or advocates of the far left? The BLM movement is a global one and attracts a range of supporters such as - as in my earlier post - the Church of England, the Lib Dems etc...It has also been inflected by the particular contexts of the different countries in which protests are taking place. Here that is in relation to the erasure of aspects of black history, the legacy of colonialism etc...In Belgium it relates to colonial activities under King Leopold in Belgium and so on...It's complex BUT attempting to shift the spotlight away from the far right to the far left on a thread of this kind does look a lot like an attempt to deflect or derail. Maybe that's not your intention but you need to consider the context and the focus of the thread.

ZombieFan · 12/06/2020 20:34

Not sure how you can compare destroying statues, property etc to HS2. One has been debated for years, voted on in general election manifestos and is being done legally. The other is just illegal vandalism.

Sandybval · 12/06/2020 20:43

They haven't been boarded up with cardboard Confused. It would take a substantial amount of effort to deface them with it up, assuming the police actually do their job this time, anyone could be stopped before managing to make much headway.

KenDodd · 12/06/2020 20:48

The support for Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk on this thread is disgusting.

Not at all surprising though considering the direction of travel over the last years.

happinessischocolate · 12/06/2020 20:51

Majority of BLM protesters have no interest in damaging the statues. If they did, there would have been a damn sight more damage and graffiti than "BLM" and "is a racist" on the plinth.

The statues being boarded up has now done BLM a favour, as now the media can't distract from the peaceful protesting with headlines about a bit of graffiti.

Yes, Edward Colstons statue ended up in the Avon, but there had been petitions and arguments for years about it being taken down so someone just took the opportunity to take some ropes along and get it done.

happinessischocolate · 12/06/2020 20:52

*on the plinth of Churchill's statue

NeutrinoWrangler · 12/06/2020 20:54

What the media term "far right" has been nudged closer and closer to the middle, over the years. Some might even say that if you're not "far left", you're "far right" by default. No room in-between, these days!

And no matter what you, I, or anyone else think, you can't allow one group to protest but stop the other.

VenusTiger · 12/06/2020 21:14

@YounghillKang you are totally missing the point to this thread - why should a bunch of pensioners who were protecting Baden-Powell's statue yday and vets standing beside the cenotaph be shoved into a label? Kahn and by the looks of it, you, and MSM have said that they are far right? NO THEY ARE NOT. If EDL and co are joining the protests tomorrow, then point them out as being far right if you must, but the ordinary joe public defending our history, our towns, our monuments, our laws are not and should not be mislabelled as far right! It's a disgrace!

MadameMarie · 12/06/2020 21:23

The support for Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk on this thread is disgusting.

It's not about supporting him. It's about the woke left playing into his hands and turning people further away from the insanity of the left these days.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 12/06/2020 21:29

People on here defending the far right. WTF is wrong with you ???

KenDodd · 12/06/2020 21:29

It's not about supporting him. It's about the woke left playing into his hands and turning people further away from the insanity of the left these days.

Stop making excuses for people. Nobody's forced into support for Tommy Robinson because of the left, people walk there willingly because they agree with his hateful racist views. No other reason.

Xenia · 12/06/2020 21:30

The point is most normal British people (not far left or far right)_ d not agree with breach of the law and will stand in front of our heritage and statues to protect them.

If the left think everyone who wants Churchill's statue to stand is "far right" then they do not understand this country nor her people.

FOJN · 12/06/2020 21:37

It's complex BUT attempting to shift the spotlight away from the far right to the far left on a thread of this kind does look a lot like an attempt to deflect or derail. Maybe that's not your intention but you need to consider the context and the focus of the thread.

I think the thread I linked gave context to my comments. The OP stated they are outraged at the far right protests. The link I posted outlines why this was entirely predictable.

The BLM protests were infiltrated by some far left agitators who caused damage to national monuments (possibly others just there for trouble, it's a recognized phenomena) and the coming weekends protest activity is in response to that. The focus on the far right seems like gratuitous moral outrage which ignores the damaging behaviour of the hard left which led to this coming weekends protests.

Failure to condemn both equally means the political extremists become the story rather than BLM.

Paska · 12/06/2020 21:43

People are being urged not to be out in support of BLM tomorrow due to the aggressive nature of the far-right group and BLM protests are being cancelled because of them.

After the likes of Charlottesville, I don't blame them.

TheFuckingDogs · 12/06/2020 21:43

Omg - it’s really terrifying reading these opinions - how has our country come to this? There’s so many people voicing massively far right sentiment as if it’s the norm, it’s become a cliche but it really is how Nazi Germany Started

Paska · 12/06/2020 21:44

If the left think everyone who wants Churchill's statue to stand is "far right" then they do not understand this country nor her people.

@xenia Who claimed that, exactly?

ThereIsNoSuchThingAsRoadTax · 12/06/2020 21:45

Today 16:12Hoppinggreen

The question is how left wing do you have to be to be allowed to protest?

Are we really at a point where protesting against being killed / oppressored because of the colour of you skin is perceived as being 'left wing'?

Paska · 12/06/2020 21:48

@Boudicabooandbulldogs

I agree that black Lives Matter, I agree that racism exists. I do not agree with a movement that has at its heart, expressed as a manifesto on its page. Of defunding the police and the removal of the nuclear family, along with destroying capitalism. I cannot agree with that I’m afraid.
How are they trying to 'remove the nuclear family'? What does that even mean?
Boudicabooandbulldogs · 12/06/2020 21:55

@Paska,
That is what it states on their manifesto page, It didn’t give a detailed informative description. I would guess it goes along with them wanting to remove Patriarchy perhaps. But to have that on their manifesto, along with some of the other information is worrying.

Paska · 12/06/2020 21:59

[quote Boudicabooandbulldogs]@Paska,
That is what it states on their manifesto page, It didn’t give a detailed informative description. I would guess it goes along with them wanting to remove Patriarchy perhaps. But to have that on their manifesto, along with some of the other information is worrying.[/quote]
The part about building communities to care for each other? How terrible!

ZombieFan · 12/06/2020 22:00

How are they trying to 'remove the nuclear family'? What does that even mean?
Who knows what that means or how they are going to do it but its part of their manifesto on their website. Along with supporting the transgender agenda. Perhaps BLM could explain it?

augustusglupe · 12/06/2020 22:00

Xenia You said it exactly!! and Poppi89 There’s been quite a lot of aggressive behaviour, particularly aimed at the Police, this past week and it hasn’t been by the far right.