WTAF - Far right protests

[Poppi89]

I have just heard on the radio that far-right protesters will be out tomorrow in response to the BLM protesters. People are being urged not to be out in support of BLM tomorrow due to the aggressive nature of the far-right group and BLM protests are being cancelled because of them.

I am outraged by this. The BLM protesters are asking for people to not be killed due to the colour of their skin. They have rightly or wrongly made a decision to put themselves at risk of COVID-19 to help spread this message - a lot of people have called them idiots etc for doing this.

The far-right protests are now also protesting in large groups (but not in response to a murder) and are 'known' for being aggressive. How is this acceptable?

I would like to hear from anyone who is planning to join/agree with these far-right protests and their reasons why?

Surely what we've been doing so far is "whitewashing the past away" I've seen people educate themselves more about these last two weeks about our history than I ever have before.

I don’t think the answer is to remove all history- because quite frankly any British man with standing and money from a certain era
Would have had dealings with slavery. I don’t
think we should remove all comedy from a time when everyone spoke offensively and inappropriately.
I wish we could focus on the current time and moving forward.

Either you agree that black lives matter as much as white lives, or you're a racist

Quite.

The support for Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk on this thread is disgusting.

"BLM want to dismantle the institutions of the state such as the police, the judiciary and prisons. That makes them far left to me."

That is NOT how I interpreted their message - What did you base this on?

YABU. No protests should be happening at the moment whatsoever, but if BLM protests are allowed then Far Right ones should be too.

It doesn’t matter whether you agree with them or not; that’s totally irrelevant. If one group is allowed to congregate, potentially cause a massive spike in the virus and pull down statues in mindless acts of vandalism then others should be too.

Or, you know, perhaps we don’t allow anyone to behave so ridiculously right now.

Why does supporting the rights of black people and wanting them to stop being murdered make you left wing?

It doesn’t, but some people like to pretend it does so that they can justify supporting the likes of ‘Tommy Robinson’ - as if anything he stands for is worth supporting - and perhaps pretend they’re not just common or garden racists.

You can be a decent right-winger and support BLM. Mitt Romney supports them for heaven’s sake.

People are as scared and dismayed by BLM as they are by the far right atm. They both choose violence and destruction over peaceful protests, there is little difference between them.

Sorry but what the left are doing at the moment is indefensible and dangerous.

Don't tar us all with the same brush. The left is unfortunately very divided and there are plenty of us who don't support a blanket policy of toppling statues and "decolonising" curricula. If the Rhodes Must Fall totalitarian types succeed in eliminating "eurocentrism" at our oldest university I'll cheerfully go out and start bashing the woke idiots' heads together myself. Even if that notionally puts me on the same side as football thugs who wouldn't know western culture if it came up and whacked them with a baseball bat. What a country this has become!

The ridiculous media onslaught that any person who protests and doesn't agree with BLM is racist or far right, is tiresome.

Hmm, let's just unpack that shall we... So you think, anyone who doesn't agree that Black lives matter is NOT a racist.... ..... WTF?? So in plain English, what you are saying is that someone who thinks Black lives do not matter is not racist.

Why would anyone who isn't racist disagree with protests for equality??

Fucking disgusting!

@OnlyFoolsnMothers Far too sensible, it'll never catch on! :)

I heard they were apparently just there to protect the monuments and statues? I guess someone needs to - the police aren’t.

I agree that black Lives Matter, I agree that racism exists. I do not agree with a movement that has at its heart, expressed as a manifesto on its page. Of defunding the police and the removal of the nuclear family, along with destroying capitalism. I cannot agree with that I’m afraid.

BLM want to dismantle the institutions of the state such as the police, the judiciary and prisons. That makes them far left to me.

for the poster who queried out, check out their funding page.

they expressly wish to 'dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures'

They are not far-right. Don't believe the nonsense printed in the papers.

Exactly BaileysforBreakfast I’ve seen the videos of the DFLA group in action too, but maybe in Shinjirarenai’s world a group of white guys Sieg Hieling isn’t far right- in which case that speaks volumes about where Shinjirarenai’s coming from…

Of course they were branded right - wing/fascist etc., but who cares - nobody bothers to take notice of that any more.

Maybe you should tell that to the police who monitor far-right organisations, or the people who successfully prosecuted members of a far-right group just the other day. Sure they would be excited to find that, according to Shinjirarenai, nobody takes any notice of that kind of thing anymore!

metro.co.uk/2020/03/20/miss-hitler-contestant-23-convicted-far-right-terror-group-12428217/

The whataboutery on this thread is also appalling. Some posters up in arms about possible violence by BLM supporters but dressing up the likelihood of violence by right-wing vigilantes as exclusively 'veterans looking out for the police' - this despite the fact that these same right-wing vigilantes have a long track record of clashing with the police in the past. And DFLA was started by football hooligans not a veterans's organisation ffs. And as for veterans/members of the armed forces why is it assumed that all would rather support the far-right than BLM? Or that all veterans and/or members of the armed forces are white?

Some members of the armed forces have even been speaking out about racism after BLM reignited debate on this issue

Head of Armed Forces reveals 'issues of racism' in military focused in wake of Black Lives Matter

General Sir Nick Carter says greater diversity is required within the Armed Forces

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/11/head-armed-forces-reveals-issues-racism-military-focused-wake/

I heard they were apparently just there to protect the monuments and statues? I guess someone needs to - the police aren’t.

Well the right wing thugs won't need to as the statues have been boarded up.

Just because a statue or monument has been boarded up, do you think vandals cant just rip the boarding down? Vandals usually come well prepared. Ideally it would be the police protecting them but....

So you think, anyone who doesn't agree that Black lives matter is NOT a racist.... ..... WTF?? So in plain English, what you are saying is that someone who thinks Black lives do not matter is not racist.

I believe black lives matter, but I don't support Black Lives Matter.

@MaMaLa321,
Exactly. I worry about a movement that openly states such desires. I have been to Gaza, I have marched for the Palestinians, for climate change. I thought I was centre left. Apparently I’m a right wing extremist who is also a racist. Oh my grandma was Jamaican too, but I don’t think anyone cares.

I heard they were apparently just there to protect the monuments and statues? I guess someone needs to - the police aren’t.

If you're all so bothered about a few statues, most not even of interest on an artistic level, and most of which are likely to be rehoused in museums where their relation to history can be contextualised; then presumably you're apoplectic about the actual destruction of the countryside, wildlife and communities that will happen when HS2 goes ahead, not to mention the billions it will cost that could be diverted into the underfunded NHS and education system.

This was predicted and it will get worse. It's concerning that so many people think the far right are thugs but are blinded to the violent authoritarianism of the left. Both are a significant threat to liberal democracy.

mobile.twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1270711817459752961

Sorry that should say far left.

then presumably you're apoplectic about the actual destruction of the countryside, wildlife and communities that will happen when HS2 goes ahead, not to mention the billions it will cost that could be diverted into the underfunded NHS and education system

Actually I am (although I probably wouldn't use apoplectic), I think it's a monumental waste of money. It might surprise you, but it's possible to worry about more than one thing at a time.

We need a temporary ban on all protests. We are in a pandemic FFS. BLM have have raised awareness but need to stop congregating now. Why not take it online?

The BLM cause is right and justified but once the protests turned violent and started attacking shops, businesses, decrating public statues and war memorials this attracted a faction that now see that it is their duty to protect these.
I agree with the protest but see little point in trying to remove all social history and media where we are now judging the past with our current values and morals. Surely the best course of action is to work on the present and future and use history as the lesson to improve society to become equal and socially just for all.