WTAF - Far right protests

[Poppi89]

I have just heard on the radio that far-right protesters will be out tomorrow in response to the BLM protesters. People are being urged not to be out in support of BLM tomorrow due to the aggressive nature of the far-right group and BLM protests are being cancelled because of them.

I am outraged by this. The BLM protesters are asking for people to not be killed due to the colour of their skin. They have rightly or wrongly made a decision to put themselves at risk of COVID-19 to help spread this message - a lot of people have called them idiots etc for doing this.

The far-right protests are now also protesting in large groups (but not in response to a murder) and are 'known' for being aggressive. How is this acceptable?

I would like to hear from anyone who is planning to join/agree with these far-right protests and their reasons why?

The news broadcasters said they saw no evidence of that. If there were Nazi salutes, I'm sure someone would have posted footage of it.

And no, I wouldn't say it lets them off the hook because they didn't do that. They did a lot of other things.

@user1471565182

I think you'll find that Islamic nutcases want an Islamic state and Shariah Law. They don't just want a right-wing government.

'Dont pretend you give a monkeys about the media enflaming things, Highhorse, you're looking to excuse these scumbags, as always. Plenty of footage of the nazi salutes. A simple google search away'

If you read my posts you'll see I'm not 'looking to excuse these scumbags', rather suggesting thugs from both sides are treated the same. I wonder if they caught those that threw missiles at police at the largely peaceful protest last week?

Actually I do give a monkeys about the media enflaming things, as should you. They have a massive platform and should use it responsibly.

Peregrina
I don't know why you had a dig at me again - my post above was a legitimate correction to incorrect facts.

We should all be concerned about injuries to people - police officers and protesters, whichever group or cause they identify with. If you overlook abuse and injury to police officers from left-wing activists or 'rogue' BLM supporters because of what the police stand for (and this injury is covered up by some sections of the media) then you make a mockery of the outrage that some police officers have used unnecessary force.

Many of the idiots on Saturday were probably football hooligans rather than 'far-right' protesters and many behaved appallingly, but equally they didn't deserve to be hospitalised by gangs of 'rogue' BLM supporters. Scroll down here - disgraceful behaviour from all sorts over the weekend, including BLM supporters wearing balaclavas, who were punching and kicking white thugs to the ground;

metro.co.uk/2020/06/13/100-arrested-london-day-violent-far-right-protests-12848780/

A white man was carried to safety by a BLM supporter;

"a businessman and friend of Hutchinson’s, said of the incident: “It would have turned out really bad because someone’s life would have been taken and you know what would have happened. Straight away–black boys have killed somebody, and they’ve killed a white man–it’s just going to be worse. So we had to go out there. I couldn’t sleep.”

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/14/blm-supporter-speaks-out-after-carrying-counter-protester-to-safety

the Government getting their knickers in a twist about it [statues]

Surely you don't condone statues being vandalised and pulled down - where will it end?

10 Jun "Christopher Columbus statues toppled in Virginia and beheaded in Boston."

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/10/christopher-columbus-statue-toppled-virginia

14 Jun "vandalism at George Washington memorial - a more than 100-year-old statue of America's first president is now covered with graffiti."

abc7chicago.com/george-washington-statue-defaced-on-south-side/6247424/

14 Jun "Two women arrested after Captain Cook statue vandalised in Australia."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/14/two-women-arrested-captain-cook-memorial-vandalised-australia/

The idiot who urinated next to PC Palmer's memorial has already been sentenced to 14 days imprisonment - quite rightly so;

"The court heard that he had been confronted by his father as the photo went viral online, and had not known what PC Palmer's memorial was for."

"Sentencing him to 14 days' imprisonment, chief magistrate Emma Arbuthnot said: “I accept you were drunk and did not know where you were urinating."

"Your explanation is you had 16 pints to drink, you hadn't been to bed, and a group of football supporters were coming up to protect the monuments."

"The irony is rather than protecting the monuments, you almost urinated on one.That was more by luck than judgment."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/man-urinate-keith-palmer-memorial-andrew-banks-court-a9566301.html

I've looked on Google and sorry, but those are not Nazi salutes. It's the England football hooligans who look for a fight with German neo-Nazi groups when England play Germany. Gormless thugs of course .

@Mittens030869

I have a DH, BILs and DNephews. I can't imagine any of them doing something like that. Find somewhere out of sight if you're that desperate to do a wee.

And I cant imagine my DH or DS doing that either but the fact remains if either of them wanted to pee ON something they would aim for it and hope they hit it, look at the picture that has gone the rounds he did not urinate ON it but next to it, a pretty disgusting thing to do but next to and on are not the same thing

@user1471565182

Dont pretend you give a monkeys about the media enflaming things, Highhorse, you're looking to excuse these scumbags, as always. Plenty of footage of the nazi salutes. A simple google search away

Exactly this. There are thousands of videos on the Nazi salutes on Saturday. Not even in the underground of twitter but posted on many prominent figures and journalists timelines. Gary Linekar I think also shared a video in disgust. Anyone who doesn’t think know that monkey chants and nazi salutes are not only common but almost the norm in most far right protests (just look at the football hooligans in some of the crowds in football matches across Europe for example) have either been living under a rock their whole life or are being wilfully obtuse.

I think I read somewhere that the BLM protests over two weekends across the country had close to 300,000 protesters in total (though correct me if I’m wrong) and only 60-70 violent or delinquent perpetrators have been singled out by the police (a minuscule minority). As always the majority of the crowd was made up of peaceful protestors of all races- women, children, the elderly, nurses, doctors, firemen, teachers, prominent scientists, athletes, veterans, artists, musicians, authors and students

The far right marches over the weekend had a few thousand but hundreds and hundreds of violent protestors. And a very undiverse demographic of participants (I don’t think I even saw one woman?!) Footage everywhere of mass brawls, chants of entire crowds singing “racist and proud” not to mention the herd of mutants that descended on those poor picnic-goers.

False equivalencies are so unhelpful.

FYI, Nazis were actually socialist, which means left-wing. So, there's a fallacious argument that has been propagated for long enough.

FYI, Nazis were actually socialist, which means left-wing. So, there's a fallacious argument that has been propagated for long enough.

Name some of Hitlers socialist policies?

The Nazis May have started off as a socialist party and used the policies to gain support but by the time they got into power they were not socialists.

'False equivalencies are so unhelpful.'

Look, whether you're one of 30,000 or one of 3000 if you deface monuments and attack police officers you should be treated the same.

There was lots of footage of 'protestors' defacing the Cenotaph with one man trying to set fire to the flag, why haven't they been arrested and charged?

I am surprised the BBC News haven't mentioned Nazi salutes. I've looked on Google. Rather than simply insisting they happened rather than quoting someone else, why don't you post the evidence of it? There certainly aren't 'thousands of videos', otherwise you'd have gleefully posted one to prove your point.

The footage I've seen is them behaving like England football hooligans chanting 'England'. It's despicable, but it's not Nazi support. Gary Lineker's tweet is from the same scene, and no, it's certainly not obviously Nazi at all. There may have been neo Nazi sympathisers there, but it wasn't obvious at all.

I'm just very concerned about the number of rumours online accepted as fact, on very little clear evidence. So I'm sticking to what is clear-cut. I'm not saying those other things didn't happen, but there have been quite a number of things that have been proved false. So, I'm mostly sticking to the BBC News.

But Hitler was allied with Mussolini, who was definitely a fascist. So yes he was far right in essence.

FYI, Nazis were actually socialist, which means left-wing. So, there's a fallacious argument that has been propagated for long enough.

Youre either unaware that the above is 80 year old debunked nazi propaganda and so welcome to the real world and reality

or

Youre espousing 80 year old debunked nazi propaganda as part of your agenda

Its either 1 or the other I'm afraid

Given all the assertions of Nazi salutes, I’m quite surprised nobody’s been able to evidence it with a link. Or perhaps I’m not because quite a long search hasn’t yielded any images.

The Guardian reported Nazi salutes on its live page on Saturday as did an LBC reporter at the scene.

The Guardian reported Nazi salutes on its live page on Saturday

Guardian live page here;

"there were ^"reports of heavy drinking, chants of “England” and Nazi salutes" - which is another way of reporting something that is not actually verified by their reporter.

The Guardian's video footage shows men holding up their phones (filming events) which could be mistaken for Nazi salutes perhaps;

www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jun/13/uk-news-live-patel-warns-of-health-and-legal-risks-at-blm-protests-coronavirus

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking

I thought the man wearing a white t-shirt in the foreground of your video clip had a Nazi salute at first but if you look closer his index finger is pointing instead.

Presumably because they weren't shouting Sieg Heil, they couldn't have been Nazi salutes!

Naziism is on the rise across Europe, ethnic minorities are scared, open your eyes, we have nothing like that here. Just a handful of far right activists.