To think that Emma Watson is no feminist

[HermioneWeasley]

So after JKR published her incredibly powerful essay and disclosed being a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual violence, Emma decides to tweet that trans women are women. Emma doesn’t condemn the misogynist abuse and threats of sexual violence that JKR has received, nor is she concerned about the facts JKR has shared of an over 4000% increase in girls being referred to gender clinics, or how autistic girls are disproportionately represented.

What is Emma’s “feminism” for exactly?

Mmm, no, I agree in the aspect that you can't be a feminist if you truly believe biological men are female and therefore know our struggle/segregation/bias. The new wave of feminists mind boggle me. They bowing down to men in dresses who are taking away the rights that were fought and won for them. 🤦🏼‍♀️

Oh Emma you open your mouth and let it say anything - as my granny used to say.
Someone should tell her to educate herself.
Never rated her as an actress either.

Surely the really big question is whether we wear flats or heels when running for Prime Minister.

‘Don't be so fucking ageist and disrespectful to the women who fought for YOU to have the rights you enjoy today. ‘

I really don’t see why saying that EW important for younger women has got so a raging response.
She is, you don’t have to like it but she is.

Oh, and I’m 50. So not ageist. Just stating the obvious, that not all 20 somethings want the women they look up to and respect to be old enough to be their mothers or grandmothers .
Not agreeing with JK Rowling doesn’t automatically make you a non- feminist. I disagree with her, I think she makes transphobic comments. If that’s the hill that she’ll die on fine, doesn’t mean I have to agree with her.
Nor does EW.

What did JKR say that's transphobic?

‘What did JKR say that's transphobic?’
😆 lols

We all read the tweets, and her ‘essay’ so if you don’t think it’s sounds transphobic that’s your opinion. Many, many people in the LGBT community disagree, many younger people disagree.

@FlamingFircones

Until this point I have really like Emma Watson but FFS, feminist my arse.

Women are women
Transwomen are transwomen
Men are men
Trees are trees
Sharks are sharks

It’s not bloody rocket science. I am a woman. I am not a transwoman. Because if transwomen are women then surely as a woman I am also a transwoman (which I’m not).

Woman = woman Correct
Transwoman = woman Incorrect
Shark = tortoise Incorrect
Pineapple = pineapple Correct

JK Rowling is an absolute bloody legend.

Well, regardless of the rest of the thread, your logic is faulty.

A square is a type of rectangle, but not all rectangles are squares.

So just because trans women are women (if someone thinks this) does not mean all women are trans women. They are a subset of the wider group.

@2ruddyhot

We all read the tweets, and her ‘essay’ so if you don’t think it’s sounds transphobic that’s your opinion. Many, many people in the LGBT community disagree, many younger people disagree.

So not one concrete example?

Typical.

Trans women are not a subset of women, they are a subset of men.

Women are not a subset of a wider group, the group is women and that's it.

@Skysblue

Yanbu. I think it’s awful how both Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe have chosen to tweet anti-JK stuff when they owe everything to her and they could have just kept quiet.

I suspect they’ve always been jealous of her talent / have massively big heads about being the ‘stars’ of the Harry Potter franchise when let’s face it hundreds of kids could have played those parts better than they did. Their acting in the first few films is unwatchable!

Out of interest, do you only express personal opinions that are approved by your boss? Or rather, your boss from a former workplace? Or rather, not your boss from a former workplace, but the inventor of a product later sold by your former workplace?

Because according to your post, you should.

I'm sick of women who call themselves feminists dictating to other women what they should think and telling them they can't join their club because they aren't feminist enough.

I used to describe myself as a feminist, now I'm embarrassed to.

I’m no EW fan but tbf I think she’s potentially been a bit stitched up by this. It was a quote posted by the WO and no info on context

Obviously in the current climate completely ridiculous. But if this was something she said say, to girls in a UK primary school last year, not so tone deaf

We all read the tweets, and her ‘essay’ so if you don’t think it’s sounds transphobic that’s your opinion. Many, many people in the LGBT community disagree, many younger people disagree.

^^ which bit was transphobic? Seemed very pro women to me

Is she a liberal feminist? So as long as She can do well it just shows there are no problems for women. If women want it they can get it, whatever it is. Anyway she wants to behave is purely her wonderful nature, as all thoughts are totally her own with no outside influence at all.

It's a consistent self centred view of the world. Very individualistic

@Witchcraftandhokum

I'm sick of women who call themselves feminists dictating to other women what they should think and telling them they can't join their club because they aren't feminist enough.

I used to describe myself as a feminist, now I'm embarrassed to.

I'm with you on this. "If you support it, you are NO feminist." Is such shitty gatekeeping. The previous poster didn't even say a damn thing that was disrespectful or rude to older feminists but you know keep your ugly little club while the real world moves on without you.

@Mumoftwoyoungkids hear hear! Agree with every word you wrote. My 12yo is an obsessive HP fan and idolises EW. I'm trying desperately to steer her away, EW and the rest of that gang make me sick.

Why does Emma need to condemn it??

I'm with you on this. "If you support it, you are NO feminist." Is such shitty gatekeeping. The previous poster didn't even say a damn thing that was disrespectful or rude to older feminists but you know keep your ugly little club while the real world moves on without you.

"If you are not with us you're against us" - was it Mussolini who said that?

What bothered me was the lack of reasoned argument or critical thought from EW, DR and ER. None of them actually presented anything other than a sound bite response. They just restated an orthodoxy as if it was proven fact.

Perhaps ER will be happy to see his old Alma mater admit girls (providing they identify as boys).

YANBU to think what you like about her and hold people to the standard of a particular branch or branches of feminism as you're defining factor if you'd like.

However, there are dozens of branches of feminism, all with differing views on so many things, and pinning one true feminist group comes across to me like evangelical Christians who feel they get to decide who is and isn't a true Christian. I mean, even something commonly viewed as basic as viewing Jesus as divine isn't actually universal across all the branches.

We could view them as non-Christians for not following that, many do, we can view EW as non-feminist, many do, but it doesn't actually change anything. It doesn't do anything to her or to her views and wanting to promote a different/'true' branch of feminism, it doesn't make sense to me to focus on celebrities who aren't.

I’ve seen so many people on lots of forums ask the question “what exactly is transphobic in J K Rowlings’s essay”
I’ve yet to see an example other than be told to read it - it’s all in there!

I’ve read it. It’s not transphobic at all that I can see and nobody has yet given an actual example leading me to think there isn’t one!

She’s an amazing woman standing up for women’s rights and #IstandwithJKRowling

I really wish someone could spell it out in layman's terms what's transphobic about her essay

Watson is tedious, talentless and entirely without grace. I very much hope her and Radcliffe sink into the mediocrity they so richly deserve.