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To think that Emma Watson is no feminist

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HermioneWeasley · 11/06/2020 08:26

So after JKR published her incredibly powerful essay and disclosed being a survivor of domestic abuse and sexual violence, Emma decides to tweet that trans women are women. Emma doesn’t condemn the misogynist abuse and threats of sexual violence that JKR has received, nor is she concerned about the facts JKR has shared of an over 4000% increase in girls being referred to gender clinics, or how autistic girls are disproportionately represented.

What is Emma’s “feminism” for exactly?

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ProfessorSillyStuff · 12/06/2020 18:19

To me, almost the only universally experienced part about being a woman is mysogny. Must be the 100% of women experience it at some point in their lives. That's what I hope you all will consider writing to you mp and supporting Amendment 84 today.

Did you know mysogny still isn't considered a hate crime?

No wonder youths aren't batting an eyelid when they hear this kind of speech, is it?

SunsetBeetch · 11/08/2020 07:16

Emma getting savaged in the replies to her vacuous nonsense here:

"It’s almost as if she doesn’t know that women have already done all of these things. Even more surprisingly, they did it all without waiting for permission."

twitter.com/AbigailShrier/status/1292712547997478917?s=20
Quote Tweet

The Women's Organisation
@TheWomensOrg
· Aug 9
"If you want to run for Prime Minister, you can. If you don’t, that’s wonderful, too. Shave your armpits, don’t shave them, wear flats one day, heels the next; We want to empower women to do exactly what they want." - Emma Watson

twitter.com/TheWomensOrg/status/1292370163531120642?s=20

SunsetBeetch · 11/08/2020 07:21

"At last I can stop beating myself up about not wanting to run for Prime Minister. Thanks Emma!"

twitter.com/Madz_Grant/status/1292557505273499654?s=20

"Pro tip: shave one armpit, wear one stilletto and one flip-flop and be empowered four times faster than other, lesser women."

twitter.com/mcdonnelljp/status/1292740157196640256?s=20

2ruddyhot · 11/08/2020 07:25

She’s a feminist, she doesn’t have to agree with everything you say. She can be a feminist and not be transphobic.
She’s important for younger generations of feminists even if older ones don’t get her.

PetraDelphiki · 11/08/2020 07:31

I’d love to see how far she got saying she wanted to play a romantic heroine in a ball gown without shaving her armpits....because I guarantee that the female movie stars in skimpy tops don’t have that choice. Women aren’t empowered by having the choice of flats or heels or shaving - it’s just something else for the media to comment on . We will be empowered when women in public view get the same comments on these things as men (ie none). When the first comments in a media piece about our female prime ministers aren’t about her clothes, hair, makeup or attractiveness!

SunsetBeetch · 11/08/2020 08:04

@PetraDelphiki

I’d love to see how far she got saying she wanted to play a romantic heroine in a ball gown without shaving her armpits....because I guarantee that the female movie stars in skimpy tops don’t have that choice. Women aren’t empowered by having the choice of flats or heels or shaving - it’s just something else for the media to comment on . We will be empowered when women in public view get the same comments on these things as men (ie none). When the first comments in a media piece about our female prime ministers aren’t about her clothes, hair, makeup or attractiveness!
Exactly. Can't believe she gets exalted for spouting this inane crap.
sst1234 · 11/08/2020 08:16

She is a feminist in the same way as Emma Thompson is an evironmentalist flying first class to attend a protest. And in the same way as Meghan Markle is a campaigner.

IHeartSusanDey · 11/08/2020 08:24

@2ruddyhot

She’s a feminist, she doesn’t have to agree with everything you say. She can be a feminist and not be transphobic. She’s important for younger generations of feminists even if older ones don’t get her.
Don't be so fucking ageist and disrespectful to the women who fought for YOU to have the rights you enjoy today. You don't even know what feminism is if you think you can be a feminist whilst not understanding the very basic tenets...that women are oppressed on the basis of BIOLOGY. Biology that no man can ever fucking have!

Feminism is the political movement that strives for liberation from male oppression for women and girls and any ideology, that ignores the root of our oppression - men's exploitation and abuse of our female bodies - and seeks to prevent women defining ourselves within our own bloody sex class, is pure misogyny.

If you support it, you are NO feminist.

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 11/08/2020 08:35

I don’t think it matters whether Emma Watson is a feminist or not - what matters is this:-

She has a friend, someone who has had a massive positive impact on her life and who has helped her, supported her and cared for her for decades. Her friend has never said anything negative about her public ally and huge amounts positive.

Three things are now clear:-

  1. Her friend has a different opinion to her on a very political issue
  2. Her friend has revealed that she has faced domestic abuse and sexual assault in her past.
  3. Her friend has received a huge number of death, violence and rape threats.

EW (along with DR, ER and quite a few others) have chosen to comment publicly on (1) whilst ignoring (2) and (3).

Never mind feminist - this makes them really quite awful people. And we should remember this.

SerenDippitty · 11/08/2020 08:58

Well first of all, saying that trans people have gender dysphoria is generally seen as transphobic these days I believe. Because its not a mental illness, just like being gay isn't a mental illness....

Isn’t it saying that gender dysphoria is a mental illness rather than a congenital condition that is seen as being transphobic? I’ve heard plenty of gendercritical feminists saying this.

CourtneyLurve · 11/08/2020 09:09

The responses to that Twitter thread are hilarious. What an insipid, pointless post by Emma. Literally does nothing to help women.

Emma (and her HP castmates) all grew up in upper middle class homes, attended the best schools, walked into lucrative careers without any struggle, and have never lived in the real world. She and Dan and Rupert and Eddie have no idea what it's like for 99% of us. Rowling knows.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 11/08/2020 09:29

How do I run for PM then?
Most of the parties wouldn't want me because I define a woman in the old fashioned way. Is there another way of running for PM that doesn't involve party politics?

Monkeynuts18 · 11/08/2020 09:34

I really agree with @Mumoftwoyoungkids and that’s always been the thing that’s bothered me the most about this whole episode. The complete lack of loyalty to a friend. I’m not saying the actors in HP owe JK a debt of lifelong unquestioning adoration and gratitude - they don’t - but they owe her the respect and loyalty that most of us extend to our friends, particularly those friends who’ve supported us in our careers. And whether you agree with what JK said or not, she’s a remarkable woman who has been the victim of sexism and misogyny throughout her writing career (and beforehand). Yet they threw her to the media wolves over a difference of opinion.

Setting the whole TWAW debate aside, it just doesn’t feel like the right thing to do to me.

timetest · 11/08/2020 09:38

She’s so open minded. All that woke stuff has scrambled her brain.

Monkeynuts18 · 11/08/2020 09:40

"If you want to run for Prime Minister, you can. If you don’t, that’s wonderful, too. Shave your armpits, don’t shave them, wear flats one day, heels the next; We want to empower women to do exactly what they want."

I’m cringing!!!! Blush

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 11/08/2020 09:59

@SerenDippitty

Well first of all, saying that trans people have gender dysphoria is generally seen as transphobic these days I believe. Because its not a mental illness, just like being gay isn't a mental illness....

Isn’t it saying that gender dysphoria is a mental illness rather than a congenital condition that is seen as being transphobic? I’ve heard plenty of gendercritical feminists saying this.

In what way is gender dysphoria a congenital condition?
SerenDippitty · 11/08/2020 10:15

In the sense that most trans people say they have felt that way ever since I can remember? You don’t often hear them say they were a perfectly happy as a boy until x happened.

Do you believe gender dysphoria is a mental illness? In and of itself?

Proudboomer · 11/08/2020 11:21

CNN tweeted the classic
Individuals with a cervix are now recommend to start cervical cancer screening at 25

And now we have to rely on the likes of Piers Morgan to ask “Do you mean women” As the likes of Emma Watson is happy to throw women under a bus in the name of their woke narrative.

So until she drags her head out of her arse she is no feminist that I want to listen to.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 11/08/2020 13:29

@SerenDippitty

In the sense that most trans people say they have felt that way ever since I can remember? You don’t often hear them say they were a perfectly happy as a boy until x happened.

Do you believe gender dysphoria is a mental illness? In and of itself?

There's absolutely no proof that gender dysphoria exists as a physical condition. It's a mental illness which should be treated and not stigmatised.

A person's sex is determined very early in conception and is immutable. There's no such thing as born in the wrong body.

Miri13 · 11/08/2020 13:41

Emma Watson is a pain in the ass, cannot stand her.

SistineScreamer · 11/08/2020 13:50

I felt so sorry for JK when Watson, Radcliffe and Redmayne's statements came out. They all sounded like the same recycled woke cookie garbage. They made millions off of JK's legacy and threw her under the bus.

We're so afraid of offending someone now that we're afraid to state facts.

Skysblue · 11/08/2020 13:50

Yanbu. I think it’s awful how both Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe have chosen to tweet anti-JK stuff when they owe everything to her and they could have just kept quiet.

I suspect they’ve always been jealous of her talent / have massively big heads about being the ‘stars’ of the Harry Potter franchise when let’s face it hundreds of kids could have played those parts better than they did. Their acting in the first few films is unwatchable!

yelyah22 · 11/08/2020 13:51

I think she's fantastic.

A PP said 'feminism isn't supporting women blindly' further upthread, and I couldn't agree more. When a woman says something that's harmful and full of dogwhistles, it's not unfeminist to point that out (which isn't what she did - she simply shared her opinion).

yelyah22 · 11/08/2020 13:52

I suspect they’ve always been jealous of her talent

I wasn't aware either Daniel Radcliffe or Emma Watson harboured aspirations of being an author?

yelyah22 · 11/08/2020 13:57

*Don't be so fucking ageist and disrespectful to the women who fought for YOU to have the rights you enjoy today. You don't even know what feminism is if you think you can be a feminist whilst not understanding the very basic tenets...that women are oppressed on the basis of BIOLOGY. Biology that no man can ever fucking have!

Feminism is the political movement that strives for liberation from male oppression for women and girls and any ideology, that ignores the root of our oppression - men's exploitation and abuse of our female bodies - and seeks to prevent women defining ourselves within our own bloody sex class, is pure misogyny.

If you support it, you are NO feminist.*

Ah, yes, telling other women what they can and can't believe. Good one.

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