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That Eddie Redmayne is a self serving privileged prick?

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IJumpedAboardAPirateShip · 11/06/2020 08:11

Where was he when he took the part in the Danish Girl that could have gone to a trans woman and elevated an actor who otherwise has no options open to them? AIBU in thinking Eddie Redmayne is jumping on a misogynistic bandwagon when he doesn’t actually give a shit about trans people or their rights?

FWIW I do believe there’s a world where women’s rights and trans rights can live side by side and support each other but it speaks volumes that the cis-rich-White-Male-heterosexual parade comes out and tries to antagonise a situation between two social groups that their particular social
Group has oppressed and abused and dehumanised and humiliated for thousands of years? Daniel Radcliffe is no better - his response to the original JKR tweet even only refers to transwomen and doesn’t even mention transmen!!!

They say they all need to just listen and be educated when it comes to racism but when it comes to feminism they tell women to sit down and shut up while they mansplain and admonish, fuck them

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theonlywayisapple · 11/06/2020 09:27

I don’t see why he’s a prick just because he thinks different to you. He’s allowed his views just like you are.

Luaa · 11/06/2020 09:27

I messed up my last line, but I hope you get the point. Or maybe go and read what's been said not taking others point of view on it

LittleMissRedHat · 11/06/2020 09:28

I'm not going to get into the whole trans debate, but simply on the point of: he took the part in the Danish Girl that could have gone to a trans woman and elevated an actor who otherwise has no options open to them?

Of course, a trans woman has options. If they are an actor then the "trans" bit is utterly irrelevant. Actors since time immemorial have played something other than what they are. Men have portrayed women, women have portrayed men. Homosexuals & lesbians have portrayed heterosexuals and vice versa.

Please don't belittle the trans actor by arguing on their behalf that they have no other options open to them. You are doing them a horrible disservice. Actors adapt and change for the roles they want / get. I have no idea whether they are a good actor or not, maybe they weren't good enough or suitable for the role. Just because they are trans doesn't give them the "right" to be given a role just because of who they are!

fuckinghellthisshit · 11/06/2020 09:28

The wokey blokies I know all seem to think TWAW and TMAW oh and women are 'better at dealing with this sort of thing".
Eddie is an absolute cunt, like everyone who spouts this shit without giving a toss about the poor and vulnerable women that it effects.

Lets face it, Eddies mummy or sister aren't going to end up sectioned on an NHS mental health ward with Karen White, or locked in prison for council tax evasion with a male bodied rapist. It is horrendous. Men like Eddie don't give a fuck because it doesn't effect him.
Selfish, posturing aresholes the lot of them.

ShiveringCoyote · 11/06/2020 09:28

@InOmniaParatus42 people with disorders of sexual development are not evidence of a sex spectrum and their representatives have asked repeatedly not to include them in the narrative. It is disrespectful and distasteful to use them like this.

Pleasenodont · 11/06/2020 09:30

Radcliffe is the worst of the two, without Rowling he would be a nobody.

CourtneyLurve · 11/06/2020 09:31

the notion that The Danish Girl would have got made with anyone who wasn't already a 'name' in the lead shows total naivety about how films get funded and made.

Not the point (and I work in the biz, so I understand how films are funded, thanks). He still took the role and his career hasn't suffered because he's a man. No one is on Twitter calling for him to 'suck their lady dicks'. And now for him to speak as if he's on some sort of higher ground? He's a hypocrite.

MonkeyToesOfDoom · 11/06/2020 09:33

I don't believe that the straight white males believe TWAW. I think they're doing it for fear of pipe one and backlash if they say what they really think. Their 'people' won't want them doing anything that might risk income.

Their actions speak louder than any tweets or blog posts, when they start dating transwomen, then they might prove they believe their statements.

LondonJax · 11/06/2020 09:33

I must admit I'm getting fed up with the 'oh JKR has alienated all those women who are in their menopause or have had an hysterectomy'. I'm almost 60. I don't menstruate anymore, haven't for about 10 years. My friend had her womb removed 15 years ago. I spoke to her about this last night and she said 'no I don't feel alienated by JKR's comments - in 1000 years, if they found my skeleton and had a debate about whether I may have menstruated, the answer would be yes. Because I have a female skeleton. They'd never tell if I had a hysterectomy, my age at death wouldn't matter. They'd look at the skeleton and say - yep odds on this person had a period at some stage in their life'.

They wouldn't look at my husband's skeleton and think the same - but that doesn't preclude him from being a transwoman. It doesn't preclude my niece from being a transman. It just means their bones tell a different story with regard to menstruating. That's just sex vs gender.

So, in the menstruation argument don't talk for me as a menopausal woman - I'll speak for myself if I'm annoyed and I'm more annoyed at being patronised by people who think they are allowed to use my menopausal status as an argument against facts thanks.

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 11/06/2020 09:34

Redmayne and Radcliffe just spout somebody elses words, I don't know why they think their opinion is so important they have to share it with the world.

Unlike every point made by all the posts on here who are so against transgender people which are full of new and enlightening information every time. Definitely not just the same points over and over and over and over again Confused

The hate and antagonism coming from the TRAs is horrible to watch. No wonder Redmayne and Radcliffe picked that side, where they're safe from abuse.

Safe from abuse for speaking out in defense of transgender people. Are you for real? That is also living in a world of privilege if you truly believe there are no repercussions for that.

Maybe these people have actually done research, spoken to people, and have formed their views based on their findings, just because their views happen to differ from yours it doesn't mean that you're right and they are wrong.

SpocksEyebrows · 11/06/2020 09:35

Men sticking up for other men to keep women down. That's what it is all about. It has been going on from the dawn of time. It is no different from any other form of oppression and power control.

Bluewater1 · 11/06/2020 09:36

Acting is just that. Acting. So no I don't mind that he got the part in The Danish Woman. I am glad he spoke out.

Ninkanink · 11/06/2020 09:36

Will you STOP with the ‘being against trans people’.

Nobody, but nobody is against trans people.

ShiveringCoyote · 11/06/2020 09:36

TWAW is an excuse for some men to get the boot in at women. Especially uppity women. If only misogyny caused as much frothing as saying a penis should not bleed.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/06/2020 09:40

I'm 46 so presumably menopause is on the way over the next few years. Anyone claiming that Rowling thinks I won't be a woman any more afterwards is a lying liar who lies a lot. How stupid do they think we are?

Melroses · 11/06/2020 09:42

These actors are far removed from real life situations. They don't even have to use the local swimming pool. They don't even have to tweet their own words; someone does it for them and they act it.

They have shown absolutely no empathy.

IhearyoucallingMarianne · 11/06/2020 09:43

@InOmniaParatus42

Taking disorders of sexual development as evidence that we are not a dimorphic species is not an argument that a) stands up to scrutiny or b) has anything to do with transgenderism.

We are immensely complex organisms and sometimes things go awry in our genetic encoding. For example, the vast majority of people have 5 fingers on each hand. However, there are disorders out there which cause the hand to form into only two digits; there are other disorders where additional digits grow on the hand. Some people are born with no fingers eg through amniotic band syndrome. We don't then pretend that human hands exist on a spectrum of from 0-10 fingers on each hand. We acknowledge that 5 fingers is the standard, and that some conditions cause variations in that. Disorders of sexual development are the same. Xx/XY are the standard, but certain conditions cause variations in that. Despite these, the people who have DSDs aren't weird half male half female creatures. That's so offensive. They don't produce a third gamete that is half way between a sperm and an egg.

And even if they did, I don't understand what it has to do with being transgender. We don't (rightly) examine someone's genes to confirm they have an intersex condition before allowing them to present as transgender. The vast majority of trans people, like the vast majority of all people, will have straightforward Xx/XY chromosomes. There is zero connection or justification as far as I can see between the fact that some people have DSDs and that some people are trans.

I read something about dimorphism that made the point that skeletons vary and that whilst in general male skeletons are larger, some ancient male skeletons are smaller and less robust than some female skeletons. Again it was being used as evidence for the validation of trans people. But there is nothing to say (again rightly) than only small, slight men can identify as trans women, or that only large built women may identify as trans men.

Some very strange arguments out there which actually to my mind are quite regressive against trans people.

ShiveringCoyote · 11/06/2020 09:45

prodigal menopause is a very enlightening time I find. Not going through it of course, that's a beast but afterwards I had almost a spiritual change and I really gave less fucks and took less shit. Talking to other women it seems to be quite a common thing.

CourtneyLurve · 11/06/2020 09:46

Acting is just that. Acting. So no I don't mind that he got the part in The Danish Woman.

I don't give a shit, either. But it matters to TRAs. And yet somehow, Eddie avoided the same abuse JK Rowling is getting, and is now joining in the chorus.

Covert20 · 11/06/2020 09:48

Yes DifficultPifcult we are for real. Have you seen how much abuse people get for not towing the party line? Case in point : JK Rowling.

LondonJax · 11/06/2020 09:48

^ this @ShiveringCoyote & @TheProdigalKittensReturn

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/06/2020 09:49

That was my mum's experience, ShiveringCoyote, and I remember it well! Watching her gradually cast off any and all fucks she'd ever given about other people's opinions about what women should and shouldn't do was glorious.

doublehalo · 11/06/2020 09:49

it was totally inappropriate for him to be cast in the Danish Girl when they could have actually had someone trans play the part.

Or at the very least, someone Danish.

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 11/06/2020 09:50

Well, Eddie has the PenisShield, magically deflects 99% of potential criticism (especially if the people who might get angry with you are TRAs).

MockersGuidedByTheScience · 11/06/2020 09:52

....Reckon that Nikolai Coster Packet would have been good.

Acting is being what you aren't, which is lucky for Eddie or he be playing Old Etonians all his life, which would be slightly, but not very restricting in this world.

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