That Eddie Redmayne is a self serving privileged prick?

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Where was he when he took the part in the Danish Girl that could have gone to a trans woman and elevated an actor who otherwise has no options open to them? AIBU in thinking Eddie Redmayne is jumping on a misogynistic bandwagon when he doesn’t actually give a shit about trans people or their rights?

FWIW I do believe there’s a world where women’s rights and trans rights can live side by side and support each other but it speaks volumes that the cis-rich-White-Male-heterosexual parade comes out and tries to antagonise a situation between two social groups that their particular social
Group has oppressed and abused and dehumanised and humiliated for thousands of years? Daniel Radcliffe is no better - his response to the original JKR tweet even only refers to transwomen and doesn’t even mention transmen!!!

They say they all need to just listen and be educated when it comes to racism but when it comes to feminism they tell women to sit down and shut up while they mansplain and admonish, fuck them

See, I don't think wanting to protect women's rights is extreme.
If you think that makes me an abusive feminist then I'm good with that tbh.

Where on earth did I say protecting women's rights is abusive?

There are going girls right now as I type having their genitals mutilated in the name of faith or religion putting them at risk of severe injury or even death. With no chance of ever experiencing sexual pleasure. This isn't likely to happen to a TRA.

Nope, but it's certainly likely to happen to many, many children, as a result of TRAs and people complaining about the NHS being inundated with trans kids needing help, however, many people are complaining about the help children receive, I've had people (actually 2 that spring to mind are also feminists) questioning why my loved one should receive mental health help over and above their loved one, and, in fact, the mental health services have pretty much been removed now anyway. TRAs saying its not a mental health issue, and feminists arguing that 'we' need to battle to get our own services have both pretty much got their way there.

Sorry difficult i think I’m misunderstanding you here

questioning why my loved one should receive mental health help over and above their loved one

You don’t mean you want your loved one to jump any queues...you think your loved one is just as entitled to help ...yeah?

I really doubt that feminists have had anything to do with any removal of mental health provision for anyone

You don’t mean you want your loved one to jump any queues...you think your loved one is just as entitled to help ...yeah?

No queue jumping, just accessing the tiny amount of available help. I have been told that my loved one, and others like them, shouldn't have access to that help, its making the waiting lists longer for others.

Aahhh im pleased i got the right end of the stick but sorry you’ve encountered such cockwombles

@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult

You don’t mean you want your loved one to jump any queues...you think your loved one is just as entitled to help ...yeah?

No queue jumping, just accessing the tiny amount of available help. I have been told that my loved one, and others like them, shouldn't have access to that help, its making the waiting lists longer for others.

Well that's totally unfair. They are just as entitled to it as anyone else. 'Making the waiting lists longer for others' is a ridiculous reason.

Agree also.

My caveat would be if it's a choice of say treatment for cancer vs surgery to remove genitals clearly there's a discussion to be had.

But the point I was trying (unsuccessfully ) to make is women like those here are nothing like TRAs. I can't imagine there's a forum on the web where they are trying to listen to and understand our concerns.

One of mine was having some mental health issues and I took them to the dr and the waiting list was so long and the waiting list for a telephone call was 12 weeks and i just felt like screaming

‘THEY'LL BE DEAD BY THEN’

But I Managed to contain myself...and people say i have no filter!

You have encountered a huge number of really unpleasant women calling themselves feminists @DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult. I'm very sorry and also quite surprised - in my experience, feminists are generally warm and generous and supportive

@Clymene

You have encountered a huge number of really unpleasant women calling themselves feminists *@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult*. I'm very sorry and also quite surprised - in my experience, feminists are generally warm and generous and supportive

Absolutely

Ive never heard anything like that on MN or in real life

Some people are just awful

You have encountered a huge number of really unpleasant women calling themselves feminists@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult. I'm very sorry and also quite surprised - in my experience, feminists are generally warm and generous and supportive

Most of it was a direct result of the particularly nasty way a particular, very vocal, 'feminist' outed my loved one to everyone, and in their circle (self proclaimed head of a women's group).

I have also encountered many warm and generous and supportive feminists (and transgender people). Its the extremists who are the problem.

She sounds like an abusive bully

Not watching his movies ever again.

I really enjoyed the Danish girl and only went to see it because Eddie Redmayne was in it.

How many other people are the same?
Go and see something lead by an actor/actress you've never heard of?
If you want more people to see something and learn about your cause then you need big stars in it. I thought he was wonderful in it. He's very talented.

DD and I used to love ER but alas no more.

It feels as if all those actors who owe JK big time have thrown her under a bus :-(.

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@DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult Thankyou so min for taking your time here and I’m 100% in agreement - the far extremes of the issue are loud and violent and I think most feminists and transgender people and their allies just want us to find a way we can all be supported and protected

I do not doubt there’s a part of the TRA lobby that is full of heterosexual cis men who have no allegiance to the cause but see it as an excellent way to subjugate women - whether biologically born or self identified. They’re the looters not the protestors.

FWIW I don’t think Emma Watson’s tweet was in the same category - she said “ Trans people are who they say they are and deserve to live their lives without being constantly questioned or told they aren’t who they say they are.” which maybe some could see as subtly throwing JKR under a bus but I think as she isn’t explicitly saying “she’s wrong” she’s nowhere near as bad as these boys who loose nothing and have nothing to protect in the first place

@1forsorrow

Her comments that women menstruate? Is that the definition of being a woman? So I stopped being a woman when I had a hysterectomy?

Not a great definition.

This wasn’t what JK said. She said “people who menstruate are women”, NOT you're only a woman if you have periods. No women are excluded.

the far extremes of the issue are loud and violent

its not true that gc feminists are extreme or violent (not even particularity loud)

I find the "both sides" argument very troubling actually. Feminists on the gender critical side, arguing to protect women's spaces, and women's speech, are NOT making violent threats, rape threats, or punching people on Hyde Park Corner, or making bomb threats, or trying to set off fire alarms & smoke bombs in public meetings, or dragging people through lengthy private court prosecutions.

Whereas the extreme TRAs have done, and are doing all of that.

cis men

Please don't use this phrase. I think you'll find the word "men" is perfectly adequate for the context in which you're using it.

When the media reports on this issue,vthey always say there's been abusive behaviour on both sides. But that's not true - it's overwhelmingly the TRAs who are making threats and trying to get people sacked from their jobs. I spend a fair amount of time on the cess pit that is twitter and I've yet to see GC feminists make violent threats. I think the MSM needs to be a bit more honest when it comes to their reporting.

To clarify, the MSM makes it sound like abusive behaviour is 50/50

Examples of women being “violent” over self-ID please?

WatchoutfortheROUS

Rich, white men telling women what a woman is, and in doing so giving away their rights to, well, men in some cases. Mainsplaining at it's finest

This^^^

Also I love your username..... The Princess Bride?

Jemima did you see some time ago after being approached by a women's group to host a women's speaking event at one of their premises (it may have been WPUK, my memory is a bit hazy) the Quaker organisation in the UK were immediately slammed by trans lobby groups for hosting hate or some other tosh.
In an effort to "understand" the issues they attempted to get reps from each side of the discussion around the table to talk about their differences and the trans lobbyists point blank refused to even be in the same room.

Redmayne’s old school (Eton) certainly knows that sex is real - I’m guessing they wouldn’t let girls in, no matter how strongly they felt they were a boy.