You're white you haven't experienced racism 4

[PatricksRum]

Continued.

You're trying to argue the same by saying that white people can suffer prejudice but not racism - this simply isn't true. Travellers are recognised and protected under the Equality Act from racism.

The Equality Act 2010 says you mustn’t be discriminated against because of your race. If you’re a Gypsy or Traveller, you may be protected against race discrimination.

Discrimination which is against the Equality Act is unlawful. If you’ve experienced unlawful discrimination, you may be able to do something about it.

Read this page to find out more about when you’re protected against race discrimination if you’re a Gypsy or a Traveller.

What’s meant by race?

The Equality Act says it’s only unlawful discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of certain reasons. These reasons are called protected characteristics. Race is one of the protected characteristics under the Equality Act.

It’s race discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of one of the following things:

colour
nationality
ethnic origin
national origin.
Some Gypsies and Travellers are protected against discrimination on the basis of their ethnic origins.

The last point is very clear.
Racial discrimination isn't the same as racism.

@PatricksRum

I wonder *@Hearhoovesthinkzebras* what do you actually make of George's death? Another black man murdered by a white cop.

I told you several times on thread 2 what my thoughts were on this.

I also asked you multiple times what your thoughts were on the Holocaust - you completely ignored me.

I've answered your question several times, you've not answered my question at all.

I don't think Hispanic people are inferior or indeed Spanish people.

I am saying that the immigration official who refused to allow him to self define as white thought he was inferior. He thought he was not qualifying for the superior status of white

I don't think that anyone is inferior on the basis of skin colour but many people in the world do whether consciously or subconsciously

There is a power hierarchy
That's what systematic racism is about

@PatricksRum

Respectfully, I disagree with your interpretation of what you've copied there.

The Equality Act doesn't define or mention racism at all
It only defines racial discrimination, which is defined as above.

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

You're assuming that the immigration official considered him inferior due to his race. Like you and I, he may not have. We need to ensure that we don't infer racism when it isn't there. I mean, I still think it's wrong that another person dictated to him what his race was.

Banderas then recalled filling out an official form in the U.S.: When he went to check the box for "white" under race, he was told that was wrong, that he was Hispanic.

"I said, 'Hispanic isn't actually a race,' " Banderas told Ramos, but he went ahead and checked the Hispanic box.

I never said I didn't think self definition was ok. Being white that would never be for me to say. I just wondered where she fit in to your very clear definition on how being black is defined. I was genuinely curious. I don't think she's the only one. I have come across one or two others but it's not my place to discuss them here. I actually am surprised at the hostility I am getting on these threads. I wonder is it because I will not agree with the OP and her supporters stance, sorry, I can't because I don't, and have expressed negativity towards the way the OP has conducted herself? I suppose ordinarily you'd be able to pin that on racism and dismiss me but you are unable to do that because I haven't been and that irritates?

*WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

He was being put in an inferior box based on his appearance (and maybe his accent)

Inferior?!

That's really awful and I'm surprised it came from you of all people.*

You know exactly what she meant.
Inferior in the eyes of racists. Inferior in the system.

@PatricksRum

You're trying to argue the same by saying that white people can suffer prejudice but not racism - this simply isn't true. Travellers are recognised and protected under the Equality Act from racism.

The Equality Act 2010 says you mustn’t be discriminated against because of your race. If you’re a Gypsy or Traveller, you may be protected against race discrimination.

Discrimination which is against the Equality Act is unlawful. If you’ve experienced unlawful discrimination, you may be able to do something about it.

Read this page to find out more about when you’re protected against race discrimination if you’re a Gypsy or a Traveller.

What’s meant by race?

The Equality Act says it’s only unlawful discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of certain reasons. These reasons are called protected characteristics. Race is one of the protected characteristics under the Equality Act.

It’s race discrimination if you’re treated unfairly because of one of the following things:

colour
nationality
ethnic origin
national origin.
Some Gypsies and Travellers are protected against discrimination on the basis of their ethnic origins.

The last point is very clear.
Racial discrimination isn't the same as racism.

What last point?

Race discrimination is if you are treated unfairly because of

Colour
Nationality
Ethnic origin
National origin

So colour and ethnic origin are given the same protection.

Why do we need a different word to describe the racism aimed at black people?
Because YOU won't accept that racism is systemic and exclusive to non-whites.*

Are you going to invent a word for racism suffered by Asian people, or Middle Eastern people?*
Perhaps.
You could ask on a thread about Asians.

She doesn't fit
She's not black she's a liar
I guess I didn't think I'd have to point out it would need to be a sincere belief

How does bringing her into it advance the discussion?
That's my issue with your posts and nothing else
You just seem to pop in to make a 'gotcha' point and not debate the actual issues

Respectfully, I disagree with your interpretation of what you've copied there.

The Equality Act doesn't define or mention racism at all
It only defines racial discrimination, which is defined as above.*

Why do you think they used racial discrimination instead of racism?
Why did they define racial discrimination as discrimination based on
colour
nationality
ethnic origin
national origin.

Irish travellers don't fit into this.

I suppose I must just accept I am never going to get an answer to my question of why one BAME voice is supported and amplified on this thread while another is ridiculed and dismissed to the point of attempted exclusion. Not going to happen is it? I've been asking for three threads now. I suspect I know why but I think I will leave it there for now and go and watch "Cardinal" - all four seasons available on iPlayer. I recommend it

What last point?

Some Gypsies and Travellers are protected against discrimination on the basis of their ethnic origins.
This is the entire point.
You repeatedly bring up Irish travellers. They aren't included in this.

*Race discrimination is if you are treated unfairly because of

Colour
Nationality
Ethnic origin
National origin

So colour and ethnic origin are given the same protection.*
Yes.

I suppose I must just accept I am never going to get an answer to my question of why one BAME voice is supported and amplified on this thread while another is ridiculed and dismissed to the point of attempted exclusion. Not going to happen is it? I've been asking for three threads now. I suspect I know why but I think I will leave it there for now and go and watch "Cardinal" - all four seasons available on iPlayer. I recommend it
Toodlepip. Feel free not to return.

Because YOU won't accept that racism is systemic and exclusive to non-whites

Honestly, I really think you need to read about what defines racism and on what grounds it can occur.

Nowhere does it say racism cannot happen to white people. It very clearly mentions gypsies and travellers.

Systemic racism is separate to racism.

You repeatedly bring up Irish travellers. They aren't included in this

Says who? You?

"Another thing is I can imagine the new word created would be plastered on every newspaper and the racism would increase. The racists would comment whataboutery on am and people would begin to agree. They have a whole new word just for them.
I don't think it's easy by any stretch, as is evident from these threads to explain that white people just can't be subject to racism but I think it's important to stick to the point.
I think a qualifier is a great idea.
Notice on here it is defined differently than than the definition pp keep posting."

Yes that's a good point about the risk of increasing whataboutery. God knows we don't need any more of that (especially on this thread). It genuinely baffles me that people are like this and continue and continue to be. I can't see any motivation for it other than a negative one. It's just so...scornful and dismissive and self important that they want to keep shouting their own opinions instead of letting other people get a fucking word in edgeways.

@PatricksRum

What last point?

Some Gypsies and Travellers are protected against discrimination on the basis of their ethnic origins.
This is the entire point.
You repeatedly bring up Irish travellers. They aren't included in this.

*Race discrimination is if you are treated unfairly because of

Colour
Nationality
Ethnic origin
National origin

So colour and ethnic origin are given the same protection.*
Yes.

Are all Gypsies and Travellers protected against race discrimination? The courts have said that Romany Gypsies and Irish Travellers are protected against race discrimination because they’re ethnic groups under the Equality Act.

Taken from the Citizens Advice Bureau op.

No doubt you'll persist in arguing however that they too are wrong and only you are right.

patricks - the travellers referred to in the equalities act are irish travellers. Just admit your ignorance on the subject and move on stop trying to prove a point you are in the wrong about.

Good god. Can't you just let other people have a discussion instead of wanting to argue yourself and make it all about you?

It's the equivalent of repeatedly shouting in a RL group conversation/discussion "NO YOU ARE WRONG, I THINK THIS" and you keep shouting and shouting and when people eventually get sick of repeating themselves and trying to talk and they say "okay that's your beliefs and you've made yourself clear, let's agree to disagree now can we just..." and yet you're still there leaning over peoples shoulders and prodding people and still shouting.

Why? OP thinks differently from you. She has accepted that you think differently and asked that you stop arguing so people can have a discussion not an argument dominated by you. You're filling these threads!

Why do you think you are so important that you must be answered even when you have been asked to stop haranguing and harassing. It's very unpleasant.

Can't you please stop?

*Honestly, I really think you need to read about what defines racism and on what grounds it can occur.

Nowhere does it say racism cannot happen to white people. It very clearly mentions gypsies and travellers.

Systemic racism is separate to racism.*

Some Gypsies and Travellers are protected against discrimination on the basis of their ethnic origins.

Race discrimination is if you are treated unfairly because of

Colour
Nationality
Ethnic origin
National origin

Where do Irish travellers fit into that?

Here:

Some Gypsies and Travellers are protected against discrimination on the basis of their ethnic origins.

@MyEyesightIsBadLetsGoForADrive

Good god. Can't you just let other people have a discussion instead of wanting to argue yourself and make it all about you?

It's the equivalent of repeatedly shouting in a RL group conversation/discussion "NO YOU ARE WRONG, I THINK THIS" and you keep shouting and shouting and when people eventually get sick of repeating themselves and trying to talk and they say "okay that's your beliefs and you've made yourself clear, let's agree to disagree now can we just..." and yet you're still there leaning over peoples shoulders and prodding people and still shouting.

Why? OP thinks differently from you. She has accepted that you think differently and asked that you stop arguing so people can have a discussion not an argument dominated by you. You're filling these threads!

Why do you think you are so important that you must be answered even when you have been asked to stop haranguing and harassing. It's very unpleasant.

Can't you please stop?

I'm not making it about me. I'm not a Traveller so how can it be about me?

Op is stating incorrect information. She has clearly said that Irish Travellers are not recognised under the Equality Act. She's wrong. Why are we not allowed to challenge that?

She's allowed to write whatever she likes, even if it is factually incorrect and no one can point that out?

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras

Which facial features do Irish travellers possess that are exclusive to Irish travellers?
How can one pick out an Irish traveller from a line-up of white people's faces?

Yes that's a good point about the risk of increasing whataboutery. God knows we don't need any more of that (especially on this thread). It genuinely baffles me that people are like this and continue and continue to be. I can't see any motivation for it other than a negative one. It's just so...scornful and dismissive and self important that they want to keep shouting their own opinions instead of letting other people get a fucking word in edgeways.

In my post I meant am, social media not am.
It's the age of social media which makes a new word exclusive to the racism experienced by black people to be made.
I 100% agree with you. There's one poster, in particular, who hasn't made one post about BLM without mentioning another injured party.