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To think the lockdown needs to end now. Part Two

174 replies

Dowser · 07/06/2020 06:23

This is too important a discussion to give up on and as it looks like rumbling on for some time yet we need to be able to air our thoughts good or bad, vent, rage.
Whatever..because I think everyone will agree , no matter which side they are on
The current situation is shit.

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Noextremes2017 · 09/06/2020 15:49

Yes for heavens sake don’t go near those taped up playgrounds. Covid might be lurking in the sand pit ........

There are an awful lot of ‘jobsworths’ having the time of their lives with ‘hazard tape’; awkwardly placed chairs and barriers; and using all kinds of anti-normality measures!!!

Alex50 · 09/06/2020 16:18

@Noextremes2017 and don’t go on cruises 😂

HeIenaDove · 09/06/2020 16:36

Well lockdown has certainly ended here. For the second day running we have had workmen erecting scaffolding around the building first thing in the morning. and when they are drilling the metal poles the noise is excrutiating.

They are going to replace the roof Its not a repair but a renewal It could bloody well wait until we are further through a global pandemic or next summer I hope they dont need access to the loft via the flat because while its still illegal for me to go inside my parents house the answer is a big fat fucking NO. Sick of the double standards.

And the fucking NOISE already. Im sure the PO opposite who works shifts is over the moon about it.

sirfredfredgeorge · 09/06/2020 16:54

Workmen have been able to erect scaffolding throughout the "lockdown", so your claim has nothing to do with lockdown, and seems purely based on your selfish needs.

Typifying again on the thread the imbalance of harm that the "lockdown" has caused, and the repeated assumption that "safe" just means not catching Covid, rather than actually being safe from all caused.

Thighmageddon · 09/06/2020 17:00

@HeIenaDove

Well lockdown has certainly ended here. For the second day running we have had workmen erecting scaffolding around the building first thing in the morning. and when they are drilling the metal poles the noise is excrutiating.

They are going to replace the roof Its not a repair but a renewal It could bloody well wait until we are further through a global pandemic or next summer I hope they dont need access to the loft via the flat because while its still illegal for me to go inside my parents house the answer is a big fat fucking NO. Sick of the double standards.

And the fucking NOISE already. Im sure the PO opposite who works shifts is over the moon about it.

I'm fairly sure you'd prefer a roof that is secure and watertight than not?

As far as I'm aware those sneaky covid germs can't get through brick walls or windows unless you're hanging out of them in close proximity to the workmen.

HeIenaDove · 09/06/2020 17:11

Its a RENEWAL not a REPAIR. And im aware it cant get through brickwork but as im on the top floor they may need access to the loft. The letter we got back in the winter said that they would.

And judging by the responses key workers have now returned to the place the public seem to want them in the pecking order.

So the lockdown isnt the only thing thats over.

HeIenaDove · 09/06/2020 17:19

The scaffolding was originally erected in late Feb/early March then taken down again in late March when we went into lockdown.

Dont assume its the same everywhere and that everyone has carried on throughout.

Ethelfleda · 09/06/2020 17:45

Agreed. Time to get back to normal now!

I find it strange that I can go and browse for a new pair of jeans from next week but people can’t send their kids to school.

HeIenaDove · 09/06/2020 17:49

Ive just seen the latest on schools WTF!!

Noextremes2017 · 10/06/2020 09:22

What is the position with 'Private' schools? Are they back up and running?

That is where Government Ministers and Officials will be sending their kids - so that will be all that matters I guess...….

Stefoscope · 10/06/2020 10:22

There are three rules for coming out of lockdown 1 Steer clear of hospitals if at all possible. 2 Steer clear of care homes if at all possible. 3 Exercise common sense.

Totally agree with this. Naturally, number 3 is always going to be the sticking point. A couple of weeks ago the local news was reporting that idiots were travelling to the seaside and popping into the hospital just to use the toilets! Not to mention the expense companies have had to go to to mark out 2m distancing lines and provide seat covers on trains to remind people to social distance etc.

It also seems pretty pointless at this stage to make it mandatory to wear a face covering on public transport from next week. I had to take the train to work yesterday and I counted 1 staff member out of 20 wearing a mask and even then he had it round his neck. Clearly lots of staff aren't wanting to do it, so why force it on them when it's highly unlikely to make a difference? I suspect it will just lead to more people touching their face to fiddle with masks, which I believe was the reason this wasn't imposed at the start of lockdown.

I do think there's sense in not allowing large gatherings of people in enclosed spaces for the forseeable future. But businesses like cinemas, non-essential retail and pubs should have already been allowed to use their discretion to start to re-open with door staff controlling the numbers allowed in.

From my selfish, personal perspective, I'm more than ready to get back to work. This lockdown has been one disaster from start to finish, with my shop being burgled a few weeks ago and more recently a burst pipe from an adjoining premises causing a great deal of damage. Arguably both of these things could have happened lockdown or not. But I feel having to leave the shop unattended for days at a time and there generally being less people around greatly increased the chances of it happening.

Noextremes2017 · 10/06/2020 14:24

@Stefoscope

Sympathies for your issues with your shop.

Obviously there are a lot of people on this thread who want lockdown to end quickly and are sceptical that the 'tiny steps' approach put forward by the Government is just a smokescreen to hopefully make us all forget how badly they mismanaged just about every phase of this virus.

At the very time they should be letting the economy get back on its feet they are applying a brake and I shudder to think what the outcome of all this will be when the full impact of closures / redundancies starts to bite over the coming weeks and months.

Johnson will no doubt give what he thinks is a rousing speech about 'turbocharging the economy' or some such rubbish but there will be no detail and nothing to back it up.

Dowser · 10/06/2020 21:27

66 per cent of mnetters believe lockdown should end now.
Totally agree

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HeIenaDove · 10/06/2020 21:30

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/10/closure-of-public-toilets-causing-anxiety-distress-and-frustration-across-uk?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Closure of public toilets causing anxiety, distress and frustration across UK
Guardian investigation and survey also finds situation is causing significant health risk

The ongoing closure of many public toilets across the UK is having a serious impact on wellbeing, limiting people’s capacity to exercise freely or visit loved ones, and creating a significant secondary public health risk as people have no option but to relieve themselves in the open, a Guardian survey and investigation has found.

With reports of bushes in city parks stinking of urine, and human excrement in sand dunes, readers across Britain have described their anxiety, distress and frustration as public toilet closures – coupled with the absence of alternatives in bars, restaurants and public buildings – curtails their daily movements.

This is especially the case for women, who are taking extreme measures such as deliberately dehydrating themselves or find they are confined to home during their period. A pregnant woman from London told how she developed a urinary tract infection after being unable to find a toilet on a trip to Hyde Park. For those with health conditions and disabilities that bring continence problems, the situation is even worse: some describe themselves as essentially housebound. Key workers and volunteers making lengthy round trips to deliver essentials are likewise affected.

As some public facilities start to reopen, a chaotic picture emerges with local officials struggling to balance exponential demand with public safety and without clear guidance from government. Public facilities have been badly neglected or shut in recent decades, and the remaining network is under huge pressure to quickly adapt often older buildings that are not easy to modify for distancing requirements or new technology like sensor taps.

While Scotland’s national parks have called for urgent guidance on reopening public toilets safely and consistently, local councillors for beaches and beauty spots across England have expressed frustration at Boris Johnson for encouraging people to drive significant distances, but not providing specific guidelines on reopening toilets or support to upgrade to ensure safety of residents and visitors

John Saunders, the mayor of Windemere and Bowness, Cumbria
We are desperate for advice and assistance. Our local toilets are used by up to 350,000 visitors each year, but there’s been very little information from larger councils or government apart from ‘wash your hands’.

We’ve had an influx of visitors but there are so many difficulties that for now we only have plans to open the disabled toilets as these are individual cubicles. We’re really worried that public toilets could be a very serious problem that will spread the covid virus around again.

There are funding problems but the main thing is health and safety. Cubicles need to be cleaned, potentially after every visit, which means the toilets being closed for 15 minutes every time somebody leaves. Hand-dryers have to remain off because if someone doesn’t wash properly they can spray infected water everywhere. There’s no way we’re going to satisfy the millions who come in August, especially if more people are staying in the UK for their summer holidays

Emily, Leith, north Edinburgh
I live by the shore, a heavily populated area with lots of pubs and bars. Some are now operating as ‘takeaways’, selling draught beer in large four-pint milk jugs and attracting large numbers of customers on sunny days.

Fair enough, but none of these establishments are able to open their bathroom facilities, and with no public toilets open anywhere nearby, people are relieving themselves down the quiet residential side streets, including the street where I live. In just one hour on Saturday evening, I counted over 25 men pee against the side of my house.

I feel conflicted, as I am glad these smaller local businesses have been able to find a way to continue functioning during this tricky time, but this is deeply unpleasant. With pubs potentially not reopening indoor spaces until later, it could be a long hot stinking summer

Sam Griffin, Wirral
I do feel the loo lockdown is discriminatory. I understand why they have done it, but throughout lockdown the needs of disabled people have been overlooked and ignored.

The assumption now seems to be that people going out to beaches and parks will be able-bodied and continent. I enjoy visiting the coastline and country, but I have continence issues and public loos are are still closed in Wirral, so there’s no chance for me of anything but a brief five-minute look at the sea. I have a radar key but that’s useless if disabled toilets are bolted.

Access to toilets, including standard ones - is generally awful, but lockdown has made going out impossible. I think there is a perception that ‘not being able to hold it’ is infant-like and pathetic, rather than a serious need. So it isn’t taken seriously by people who’ve never had to plan their day around where the toilets are.
Marie, London
I’ve had to use the bushes and hidden corners, which is really embarrassing. Holding it in is also physically painful and not good for your urinary tract, but I’ve had to suffer for hours, since there aren’t many places you can squat in privacy in the city.

In some parks, certain bushes end up as designated loos with a queue to use them. It’s depressing – they are littered with discarded tissues and nowhere to wash your hands, which feels really strange given all the advice.

I live in a small flat with no garden, so I need to be outdoors to keep my sanity. When I go outside I basically have to purposefully dehydrate myself, which feels awful and is not healthy, especially on sunny days

Dowser · 10/06/2020 21:34

Interesting also how many people have made their way over to the anti dementors thread ( not Harry Potter)
Because, lockdown has done what it was meant to do
Flatten the curve
It was not meant to
tank the economy.
Cause massive mental health problems that have led to suicides
Lead to redundancies, failed businesses,house repossessions
Cause total educational mayhem for our most precious people...our children, our future

Enough is enough now.

Time to end the madness

Time to end the idiocy of social distancing
Time to stop pitting neighbour against neighbours
Time to get our lives back

No ifs, no buts

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Noextremes2017 · 10/06/2020 21:41

@Dowser

Er......well you could take in a drive in movie.

Anybody know how many of those there are in the country? Johnson probably thinks there are thousands.......

Noextremes2017 · 10/06/2020 21:43

Can I suggest: ‘Night of the Zombies’?

Alex50 · 10/06/2020 21:43

Please sign, we need to get children back to school

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/305525?fbclid=IwAR0CWpOwKJ7qHSNm2zqfgOawUT2bDsHlqpmh-byfYg0p64FceMBZ8YEUErw

cheninblanc · 10/06/2020 21:51

I've signed, I'm horrified that schools are just being pushed back and back. My daughter still goes in a few days a week but she needs her friends in. I can guarantee as people head back to work next her friends will be eating krispie kremes in bluewater (yes all open) in groups of 6.... So why not a day in school for each group, shops open, economy moving.

Dowser · 10/06/2020 21:53

I know of no drive in movies
Even if I’ did, I can see us doing that on a cold winters night.
I will sign the petition.

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Dowser · 10/06/2020 21:55

Can’t..of course
And petition is now signed.

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Dowser · 11/06/2020 07:50

Oops..made a mistake
64 percent want to see lockdown ended now
Not 66 per dent

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Darnley · 11/06/2020 16:27

Signed.

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