To think the lockdown needs to end now. Part Two

[Dowser]

This is too important a discussion to give up on and as it looks like rumbling on for some time yet we need to be able to air our thoughts good or bad, vent, rage.
Whatever..because I think everyone will agree , no matter which side they are on
The current situation is shit.

Sami39

You'll find us here.

Anti-dementors-flock-together

I am totally serious that we as a family are looking at other countries to spend alot more time in, with a view to make it more permanent....

*The quote by Margaret Attwood haunts me though:

“That was when they suspended the Constitution. They said it would be temporary. There wasn’t even any rioting in the streets. People stayed at home at night, watching television.”*

Is that from that weird book with all the Elvises?

Very apt quote though.

I absolutely agree it needs to end. Fucking now.

@Speeding201700 where are you thinking , if you don't mind me asking.? Not many other places are brilliant at the moment...and I have to believe that the Brits who have behaved like absolute arseholes during this time (dementors to some of us) are in the minority, but that they just shout the loudest - like most people who are trying to cover up the fact that they don't know what the hell they're talking about.

I am beyond disgusted how all our children are being totally fucked over and even more disgusted that the media have not picked up on it. No education since 17th March? Schools closed down? I just don't understand it.

I'm more worried about how hospitals and GP surgeries, dentists, etc basically put up the shutters for non covid matters and are being incredibly slow to start returning to normal. Perhaps it's because they're being paid anyway, so no incentive to get back to normal work?

Dentists wear .ppe anyway and have great infection control. A few private practices have stayed open , why were the nhs ones any different?

The people who were not being paid or are now on UC or been made redundant or have always worked must be fuming that all these barriers are going up about getting back to work from people that have had their salaries since day one. Some TA s I know have done about 5 days work (if that) since March. Not their fault of course , but they are still being paid. I'm a big supporter of Teachers but I can see why people are questioning these things when others have to go out to work and they also run the risk of catching the virus.

No wonder there is a division between people. I haven't all the answers but something has to give here surely?

I'd say for most people lockdown is over it is now the inconveniences they need to cope with. No one is really paying attention to "the rules".

A second increase is likely but hopefully we can cope.

Also we need to get the country back to work um I've been working all through this and have most people. I think it's a third of the working population on furlough.

I'm more worried about how hospitals and GP surgeries, dentists, etc basically put up the shutters for non covid matters and are being incredibly slow to start returning to normal.

Phoned our GP surgery this morning to book a phone appt. It's for DH but he can't take calls at work so I'll speak to the GP for him. He has COPD and it looks like he's in the early stages of a flare up. He had a review booked with the COPD nurse at the practice in January - that was cancelled because the nurse was ill. Went back on the waiting list with an estimated date of early April for an appt. Then .... Covid. Receptionist said this morning there's no prospect of appts with the nurse any time soon. GP will be able to prescribe AB's and steroids for steroids - 'might' agree to issue an emergency meds pack over the phone for future use. Unlikely to agree to a face to face consultation.

DH is deteriorating - I'm guessing he won't be able to work much longer. We have an 'estimate' that his life expectancy is around five years. I don't want fucking guesses and estimates and over-the-phone speculation, I want him to get the medical treatment he needs. If he's only got a couple of years left, the job can go and we'll live on the pension funds. We've had no new cases of Covid here for a week and no deaths for 12 days but nothing is getting going again. I've never felt so frustrated and helpless in my life.

Our surgery was t great before Covid ; they put the shutters up very quickly.

@user1497207191
Yes it is beyond appalling.. only Covid-19 matters.

@Delta1
We are particularly interested in Holland and Sweden atm

@TooTiredTodayOk

100% agree.

@Speeding201700

Like the cartoon!!

And sadly let’s not forget that our Hospitals have inadvertently sped people on that journey by infecting them with Cv-19 when they were in hospital for unrelated issues and/or not understanding how to treat them properly.

[quote Northernsoulgirl45]@Duckfinger

It absolutely needs to end. Reduce the distance to 1m, get all the kids back to school and shops open without the queues together in.

How do you propose this will work given classrooms are unlikely to be big enough to accommodate 30 kids at 1 metre apart.[/quote]
I can't speak for every school but the one I work at yes at 1m distance we can fit everyone in.
Even at 2m the 2 classrooms in our newest extension fit over 20. We have gridded out all the floors with tape and we can fit 15 of our 1m tables into each room with 2m between them. If distancing is reduced to 1m we put a child either end of those tables rather than 1 child alone. We can fit 30 children.

Yes many of you are thick as mince, since you asked.

Many of the the things you mention are no worse than other things. BUT some things we have to do, like going to work. This increases the risk of R increasing, but add in the extra things too and obviously the risk of R increases yet again. We can't stop the risk totally but surely we can minimise it?

For example someone said " I can't sit on my dd's sofa but I can sit on her toilet. How is that safer?"
obviously it isn't safer. But going to the toilet facilitates a garden meet up which is good for mental health etc. Obviously it would be better not to go to the toilet but it's a gradual balancing act and a risk worth taking to meet up with the family. If you sit on the sofa too and go to the toilet, that much more than doubles the risk as you've done two risky things.

Surely it's bleeding obvious - but it appears not.

If protests can go on unchecked then lockdown needs to be loosened up.
So because the protesters may screw up the R rate then the rest of us should be allowed to as well?

What logic is that?
The protests may well inadvertently kill loads. Great. That's even more reason for the rest of us to take social distancing seriously to try to negate damage that they've done.

Schools need to be reopened right now - if we can run planes, open shops etc we should be opening schools.

What lockdown? How can police enforce anything or fine anyone now.

No, it doesn't

@jeremyironsnothing

I seriously doubt whether the protests will 'kill loads - great or not.

Personally I'd feel safer on a protest rally in the open air than I would going into a hospital for a elective surgery, for example.

It is all a question of how much risk we are prepared to accept as individuals. But the point that others have tried to make on this thread is that we are fucking adults and we don't need a bunch of wankers like Johnson and his useless Government treating us like 5 year olds by drip feeding their daily sweeties - otherwise known as new things that we are allowed to do.

I hope you are right.

But unfortunately many do need treating like fucking 5 years olds.

Personally I'd feel safer on a protest rally in the open air than I would going into a hospital for a elective surgery, for example.

But can't you see that the first increases the danger of the second?

And regarding Nasty Patel's latest work of genius - the travel quarantine - Ryanair's Michael O'Leary has it dead right - it is a meaningless political stunt dreamt up by a group of politicians and scientists who lost the plot back in March and are making a phoney attempt to extend this 'crisis' as a justification for their catalogue of errors.

Golf is played by women too and by young and old ,and by people of all classes.

I totally agree that the lockdown should be eased ASAP ,but see golf starting up as a positive step in the right direction.