To think the lockdown needs to end now. Part Two

[Dowser]

This is too important a discussion to give up on and as it looks like rumbling on for some time yet we need to be able to air our thoughts good or bad, vent, rage.
Whatever..because I think everyone will agree , no matter which side they are on
The current situation is shit.

My whole "right that's it I'm done with this shit" moment came the day it was announced football would be going ahead. So Boris, what you're saying is, 22 people can tackle, breathe, sweat and huddle together during a free kick...for 90 minutes BUT I can't go to my DD's house and sit inside for a socially distanced coffee and chat (she has no garden) for an hour? Where's the fucking logic in that???

Oh and it's ok to use the toilets at work but not in DD's home?????

Honestly it makes no sense now to say we cannot go inside our families houses when cleaners and nannies can. It's a disgrace continuing to deprive people of their families.

It's never made sense. I will be one of several million people who has gone into someone else's home, multiple times a day, right through lockdown. We're carers for family members - in my case, my mum who has a flat in the same block as us. I was still going in to her when I was ill with what I now think was covid. She didn't catch it, because right through this we've stuck with good hygiene, common sense and keeping away from other people. DH also didn't catch it from me even though we didn't isolate from each other but that's probably because he's an awkward bugger

Before lockdown, we'd all have dinner in mum's flat 2 or 3 times a week, mainly to save me cooking twice. We've now got the ridiculous situation that doing that is illegal. None of this is about science or guidance anymore. Part of it is incompetence on a previously unimagined scale and I genuinely believe the rest is about testing how far they can control people. Right now, if the government told people to jump off a cliff to protect the NHS, a large number would do just that.

I would be happy with everything open, including schools ect but I'd be happy with wearing masks on shops and social distancing. I'd be happy with no social distancing on schools though.

Oh and it's ok to use the toilets at work but not in DD's home?????

You can use the toilet in your DDs home under the current lockdown rules. You have to stay outside at 2m for meeting up, but can go inside the house to use the toilet.

@mrshoho LOL most businesses are still closed. I haven't been able to reopen my business and only have a rough "guideline" of when I can reopen again. Please educate yourself.

Can you? I honestly didn't know that. When did going inside to use the toilet, be allowed?

I thought it was only this week, as of Monday, they said up to 6 can meet in a garden.
No indoors. I thought?

When were cleaners allowed in? What date was that allowed?

It needs to end now. It is an absolute joke.

I've never supported it, hence why I was out today in the nearest city centre. The amount of people there out in protest was ridiculous. It was like a Saturday afternoon in December. It's not just that they're there protesting, they're all then queueing up outside the takeaways and in the bus station, using public transport etc. They've all had a lovely wee day out spreading all their germs. But my kids can't go to school.

My faith has been destroyed by seeing the crowds gathered in London and other cities.
I would not have a problem with any of this if it wasn't for Covid.
To think I was so upset with Dominic Cummings breaking rules yet these people are doing the same and it's not stopped.
I've nothing against protests but during a pandemic I'd ridiculous when others can't see their families and been penned in for months yet they can gather like this?

I work in a school and the measures are extreme to try to control this infection. It's taken weeks of planning and money yet not every child can go back. It all seems so surreal. I can't get my head around any of it at times.
I feel like the weeks I've obeyed the rules have been for nothing sometimes!

Oblomov20

*Can you? I honestly didn't know that. When did going inside to use the toilet, be allowed?

I thought it was only this week, as of Monday, they said up to 6 can meet in a garden.
No indoors. I thought?

Yes, only groups of up to 6 can meet outdoors, either in a garden or public area, staying 2m apart. But you are allowed to go inside to use the toilet (that is the only reason you can go inside, and there are cleaning suggestions etc. to go with it). That rule came in on 1st of June, same time as the garden rule.

It absolutely needs to end. Reduce the distance to 1m, get all the kids back to school and shops open without the queues together in. I'm in 2 minds about pubs because as soon as people have a drink they are all over each other in my experience, the beauty industry probably needs to open for the economy but as a home hair cutter that can't bear strangers touching me I haven't really considered it. The rest of the rules can stay, no mass gatherings, even masks if they must.

@alreadytaken the NHS has been shut down for a while for cancer treatment.

Not according to this thread by someone who has had her cancer diagnosed and now treated during lockdown.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3859180-How-selfish-would-this-be

I also pick up meds for someone whose treatment has gone on throughout lockdown. And have a neighbour who is going for screening on the advice of their GP. From other threads what seems to be the case is that some Trusts are able to go ahead, others aren't. That is not because of lockdown, if lockdown was the issue then there would be no treatment, tests etc going on at all.

If the disease freely circulates again then cancer patients would actually be at higher risk, even if they shield they then have the choice of staying at home with no treatment or going out to hospitals with a higher risk of catching the disease. Since many also have to use public transport that would further increase their risk levels. The NHS would become overwhelmed again further jeopardising other forms of treatment.

Agree with other posters we need a balanced approach.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

This is the gov.uk guidance, which specifies:

"Yes, you can spend time in gardens and other private outdoor spaces such as yards or roof terraces in a group of up to six people from different households – as long as you maintain social distancing at all times with people outside your household.

You should not go indoors unless you need the toilet or are passing through to access the garden."

Time to come out thighmageddon
The waters lovely.
Well down our beach it has been
And the ice creams,
And the fish and chips
And the free parking
And the open pub
And the take always
And the kids on their bikes
And the picnics on the grass
And we’ve all been enjoying it for weeks now

( welL not the pub, that just opened just over a week ago)

Well said bamboozled
When something Someone says sounds ridiculous, feels ridiculous..well you can bet you’re bottom dollar it’s ridiculous

A couple of Sundays ago I drove About 35 miles to a lovely forest
It was great to see families out having a great time on the bike trails, picnics on the grass, snacks from the burger van, ice creams from the ice cream van, splashing about in the stream, toilets open, all lovely and clean
We had such a great time we met up with 5 family members for a picnic as it was a grandchild’s birthday
Such a lovely normal family day

Everyone is still well. Probably better than ever from some exercise in the sunshine

Meant to say, we met up with 5 family members a week later
It was much busier, Eventhough it was a Tuesday
Everyone is cottoning on that the ( some, maybe all) of the National parks is business as usual

@Racoonworld

Oh and it's ok to use the toilets at work but not in DD's home?????

You can use the toilet in your DDs home under the current lockdown rules. You have to stay outside at 2m for meeting up, but can go inside the house to use the toilet.

So I can sit on her toilet but not on her chair? Again where's the sense in that?

There isn’t trapped.
It’s just senseless
We are looking like a nation of covidiots who will swallow any old fanny, hook, line and sinker
Heck, I’m not even a critical thinker but I could smell bullshit a mile off

@Dowser

There isn’t trapped. It’s just senseless We are looking like a nation of covidiots who will swallow any old fanny, hook, line and sinker Heck, I’m not even a critical thinker but I could smell bullshit a mile off

I was talking to my sister who lives in Australia today and she was asking what the rules are at the moment. The reason she asked was she had read them but couldn't believe that what she'd read was right as it made no sense to her and her neighbours when they were discussing them. When I told her that yep, what she'd read was exactly right, my sister just shook her head and replied..."and we thought we had it bad with ScoMo (their P.M), but jeez your lot are in a different league". Sad but true.

Trapped
To think at one point we were congratulating ourselves at being better off than Spain, which we were . I was in Tenerife when they began their lockdown and it was brutal. I’m glad we were evacuated Home
I don’t think I could’ve handled it
But they are out now, while we are still skirting around one another like we are doing a fucking Morris dance, looking bloody ridiculous

So I can sit on her toilet but not on her chair? Again where's the sense in that?

There is actually a lot of sense in it because going in to use the toilet you should be the only one inside at the time, and you wouldn't be lingering inside or be at close proximity to others. The virus is transmitted a lot easier inside and at close distance, and so we cannot see people inside their homes or at less than 2m currently for good reason. Can you really not see the difference between the two things??

The current rules are pretty fair, considering we still have high death and infection rates.

Raccoon world
I’m afraid I can’t see it either I’m as thick as mince or I’ve just lot the plot.

At the beginning of the lockdown we were evacuated back from Tenerife on a plane rammed to the rafters, from an airport where there was about 3000 people milling around
We sat on the tarmac for an hour..so all that was a 6 hour journey plus 3 hours in airport

Not only were we not sick, neither were any of my friends who went on different planes, at different times, to different airports

No masks, no social distancing

If people think im going to be scared into submission, they have another think coming
The government downgraded this virus on their website around mar 19 , then panicked and backtracked and out it back up to high again

We’ve all been conned

@Racoonworld

So I can sit on her toilet but not on her chair? Again where's the sense in that?

There is actually a lot of sense in it because going in to use the toilet you should be the only one inside at the time, and you wouldn't be lingering inside or be at close proximity to others. The virus is transmitted a lot easier inside and at close distance, and so we cannot see people inside their homes or at less than 2m currently for good reason. Can you really not see the difference between the two things??

The current rules are pretty fair, considering we still have high death and infection rates.

I work in a factory with 300+ others. When (hopefully), I go back to work I shall be inside 2 meters away from people from a different household for 9 hours...inside. Now please explain to me how that is better than being inside with 1 person sitting 2 meters away for an hour? 300 people for 9 hours inside a hot factory= legal 1 person for 1 hour inside a ventilated house= illegal.

Explain the logic because I really can't see it.