To think the lockdown needs to end now. Part Two

[Dowser]

This is too important a discussion to give up on and as it looks like rumbling on for some time yet we need to be able to air our thoughts good or bad, vent, rage.
Whatever..because I think everyone will agree , no matter which side they are on
The current situation is shit.

It is all a question of how much risk we are prepared to accept as individuals. But the point that others have tried to make on this thread is that we are fucking adults and we don't need a bunch of wankers like Johnson and his useless Government treating us like 5 year olds by drip feeding their daily sweeties - otherwise known as new things that we are allowed to do.

The below x millions is why. You need to be drip-fed careful messages or you’ll behave irresponsibly like this:

We've decided we are taking the kids to see their grandparents next weekend. We'll be in their house and won't be distancing. They've seen no one since the start of lockdown and nor have we. They aren't over 70 or vulnerable. It's lower risk now than in a few weeks once the kids are back at nursery. We're all sick of this shit and aren't doing it anymore.

The testing, track and trace system is a shambles

Is it? Please explain...

There's nothing irresponsible about that - far from it.

So far I've stuck to the rules as I'm currently pregnant. I've been at home since 16th March (WFH) and only recently when the rules changed seen my parents in their garden. I think we do need to get back to some semblance of normal soon, this virus isn't going to go away overnight and we can't hide inside forever. I'd be quite happy to social distance and wear a mask when out and about or in shops, public transport etc. I just want to be able to see my family indoors for a cuppa. My husband's been furloughed he works in the hospitality sector so I'm very worried about him being made redundant if this carries on much longer. Especially as I'm expecting our second child. Our son has gone back to nursery where he can be touched and comforted by a stranger but he can't even give his own extended family a hug. My mother is so upset that she might not be able to cuddle her new grandchild when she arrives. Hopefully, by October things might have changed again.

@TheClaws

Your point is lost on me.

YOU might appreciate being drip fed daily bullshit like a 5 year old. I don't.

But hey if we didn't have something in this country to divide us right down the middle it wouldn't be normal would it?

Unfortunately I don't think all schools are a as fortunate for space @Duckfinger

@Jeremyironsnothing

I think we'd best agree to disagree.

But that is what we'll all do going forwards.

If our Government thinks they can continue to control the situation they are wrong. They have tried the 'police state' tactics on the basis of grossly over-stating the risks. All the bullshit about 'the virus doesn't discriminate' etc.

They are like the boy who cried wolf. And whether the virus recedes into history or comes back as a second wave their credibility going forwards is 'shot'.

You sound angry Noextremes.

Sorry my point was lost on you. The reason governments repeat safety messages is because 1. People are more likely to hear them, 2. Remember them, 3. Follow them, 4. Repeat them to others. This is why everyone around the globe is familiar with the term ‘social distancing’. Anyway, without this messaging, it would be difficult for us as a society to know when restrictions were applied/eased - even that the virus was present. Don’t pay attention if you don’t appreciate them, but it’s kinda silly.

TheClaws Why did you feel the need to talk to Noextremes as if that person is a child?

Pubs may be re opening on the 22nd People getting pissed will forget to socially distance.

Only pubs with pub gardens might open I read today! My local has a big garden front and back but policing it will be hard I think : the benches are fairly close together.
People will be happy to have a drink and then forget to SD.
Only ok if it doesn't pour down as well of course. Still , it's a start I suppose!
If the pub trade can get round things I think they will try to make it work .

twitter.com/Allmad_Hera/status/1269967498667003907?s=20

Yes, it needs to end.

@TheClaws

Yes I am indeed angry on a number of levels.

I am a reasonably intelligent 5 year old and I think I understand the damage that has been done to this country as a result of a knee jerk reaction to 'protect the NHS'.

Unfortunately I think a lot of the people currently on furlough are really just in the waiting room for unemployment because good jobs will be destroyed as a result of this lockdown. Sunak is just papering over the cracks with huge sums of borrowed money that we as a country will spend years paying back - and for what?

And let's just recap how our Government handled this:

1. Johnson's first reaction (as with everything) was not to appreciate the detail of the problem and just brush it off with a laugh. It is what he does best.

1. As it became clear that quick measures were required he dithered (again as with everything) and made great play of doing the right things at the right time as an excuse for doing nothing.

1. We were going to Test - but shit we didn't have any testing capacity and were totally unprepared (as we knew we would be after the stress testing for an epidemic was carried out in 2016).

1. So seeing as we can't test we decide we are going to go for herd immunity and let 40m of the population get it.

1. But - Oh fuck. We can't go for herd immunity because somebody has calculated 500,000 people might die. Who knows if they are right but they are (allegedly) 'experts'. (Funny how this Government wants to rely on experts when it suits but the same people trashed all the 'experts' at the time of the Brexit vote!)

6 So we press the panic button and shut everything down. Fuck the consequences - we'll figure that out as we go along.

And that is what this bunch of halfwits that run our country have been doing for the past 10 weeks. Making it all up as they go along and stumbling from one crisis to another. If they are challenged over anything - well they are 'just following the science'!!!

But hey - if you like to hang on their every word and treat it as a gospel you should follow - that's fine.

Just don't be surprised if others don't share your view.

Speeding..What was margaret Atwood referring to

Sick to the back teeth
My son is a carer and one of his patients tested positive for Covid
He never touched the patient, saw him From a distance and was all gloved and apronEd up
Still he applied for a test
It arrived the next day.
Before you take it you book a courier slot

Now this was end of May and the first slot was mid June
You’re supposed to take the test within 5 days of contact
Sooo
Long story short , he wasn’t able to be tested
Shambles ?
Definitely

HeIenaDove Thu 04-Jun-20 00:32:45
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Boris Johnson hosted a baby shower for Carrie Symonds at Chequers just two days before announcing "now is the time for everyone to stop non-essential contact with others" - yet more "necessary" travel from Downing Street revealed in the new Private Eye

The baby shower was on 14th March.

southeastdweller I didn’t mean to speak down to noextremes, but I admit I was irritated at this being said to me: “ YOU might appreciate being drip fed daily bullshit like a 5 year old.”

So you could say she/he started it.

But hey - if you like to hang on their every word and treat it as a gospel you should follow - that's fine.

Just don't be surprised if others don't share your view.

That’s fine - I don’t live in the UK, so hang on their every word at all. But I know what has worked in my country (not New Zealand!) and we are now opening up slowly. Schools, businesses, internal travel, sports, all sorts. Patience and compliance is key - but ‘compliance’ has terrifying connotations for some. It really shouldn’t in this case as many thousands of lives are at stake.

Yanbu. Lockdown needs to end. Anyone who needs to stay at home is free to decide that for themself, the rest of us need to work/kids be educated/get on with our lives.

@TheClaws

Be grateful you don’t live in the UK given our Government’s track record. No sensible person in the UK is advocating being reckless coming out of lockdown. The recklessness was shown by the Government at the start of the crisis - see my post above. And that is why so many have died.
The point is, if you did live here, and you had witnessed the ridiculous positions taken by the Government in March then you would be rightly sceptical about the current goings on.
I don’t know what country you are in but I doubt it has followed the policy of the British government to let thousands and thousands of air passengers land at Heathrow throughout March, April and May without any checks and then introduce quarantine from June. Absurd.

So far, there’s more ayes than noes
To end lockdown.
I saw a music venue post that they can normally hold 370 people
Under new guidelines they can hold ...wait for it

26 😱

That’s really not going to work!
With only 4 people allowed on stage..yeah right.
If we don’t speak up now , the life we knew will have gone forever.

Staying alive v living

I’m choosing living, let me out!
I’m ready to sign a disclaimer.

@Dowser

Should make a lovely intimate concert for 26 fans at 15 x the original ticket price....
Who the hell draws up these guidelines? The same eggheads as are on the SAGE group. People with no experience of real life in the real world?

There are three rules for coming out of lockdown:

1 Steer clear of hospitals if at all possible.
2 Steer clear of care homes if at all possible.
3 Exercise common sense.

Roll on 22nd June when my 7yo, 9yo and I will go on a beer garden crawl because it's too dangerous for them to be accommodated in school. It'll add a nice dynamic to going for a walk past taped up playgrounds.