You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

@LumaLou
I appreciate your post.
I disagree on one point, however, that if I had changed the title then I would have had this much discussion.

@Wizadorawobble
As instructed by zebras could you explain how travellers, on a whole, romany, Irish, can be identified as a traveller by their face alone?

@qweryuiop
You're also targeting OP and you should with unpleasant comments. And I should? What are you on about?

*Also given that it seems to have become the very nub of the discussion, maybe the OP could define EXACTLY what she means by black.
I'm really confused by this. What is your question?

ummm, ahhh, kind of an easy read, we'll give you 24 hours to answer, meanwhile, I have to go a clean my toenails. grow up.*

Genuinely confused.
Maybe it's my autism, I'm viewing it as a black and white question. Could someone help me with this question please?

patricks - just to let you know irish travellers and romany travellers are two distinct ethnic groups.

*Let me word it differently. What is your opinion on the oppression of black people and that black people are more than twice as likely to die in custody?

again grow up, make statements, don't answer people with questions. This forum should e a have a signup age?*

I'm asking her a question. I explained it. She didn't understand it so I have reworked it.

What's your opinion on the question?

@qweryuiop I do agree. But at this stage the title of this thread has been debated to death. If Wizadora was upset and created a provocative thread regarding travellers, if I didn't agree with it, and I couldn't say anything helpful without detailing the thread, I would leave it alone, purely on the basis that it would be clear to me that somebody is upset and talking about an issue that I have a limited understanding on - I will always try to exercise empathy above outrage.

[quote PatricksRum]@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
Let me word it differently. What is your opinion on the oppression of black people and that black people are more than twice as likely to die in custody?[/quote]
Op, you are misrepresenting again.

Show me the statistics that support your claim. You can't, because you are wrong.

The twice as likely to die is based on working out the percentage of black people who die in custody from the number of black people in society. Then the number of white people who die in custody with the number of white people in society.

But

When you work out the percentages based on the number of black people who die in custody against the number of black people in custody and the same for white people, white people have a 25% greater chance.

I haven't explained it very well but look at the data yourself. It's not meaningful to look at the number of people dying in custody against the number of people who aren't in custody. The people in the general population aren't at risk of dying in custody, by virtue of the fact they aren't in custody.

So, I could work out the chance of getting pregnant. I wouldn't take the whole population of the UK and then calculate percentages from that would I, because I would be including men, children and post menopausal women. To get an accurate percentage chance of pregnancy I need to look at a specific group ie women of childbearing age.

It's the same thing here. Black people bare over represented within the prison population and that is a very important question to ask - why is that?

But it's just inaccurate to say that black people bare twice as likely to die in custody than white people. It simply isn't true.

Over the past ten years 140 white people have died in custody and 13 black people. Against numbers in custody, white people have a 25% increased chance of dying.

Oxford University has announced that more than 22% of undergraduate students starting in 2019 were Britons from Black and Minority Ethnic (BAME) backgrounds. Stats in the OP's favour. So @qweryuiop really what the fuck are you on about, go educate yourself, I should not have to feed it to you. (Like the 22 year year old on this thread has mentioned so many times ) But wait I have fucked up haven't I.....

patricks - it is a black and white question so to speak! I am genuinely not trying to catch you out.

Are you referring solely to people who can trace their heritage back to sub saharan africa for example?

@packetandtripe

Let me word it differently. What is your opinion on the oppression of black people and that black people are more than twice as likely to die in custody?

again grow up, make statements, don't answer people with questions. This forum should e a have a signup age?

There’s a certain type of poster who, when asked their opinion, or to answer a straightforward question, will ignore the question and insult the poster who asked them. Sadly for them, it doesn’t make them look as clever as they think it does.

*You are twice as likely to go to Oxford University if you are white than if you are black mmmm....

let's not obfuscate the fact that this is Great Britain where 80 per cent of the population are white; so those odds actually work in 'your favour'. again what age are you?*

TJust over 22 per cent of minority students who went on to gain three A* grades at A Level were offered places, compared to 43 per cent of white applicants.
The difference was even more stark for places to study economics and management, where 19.1 per cent of white applicants received offers compared to 9.3 per cent from ethnic minorities.

The statistics have taken the population into account.
Oxford University is not so stupid as to post statistics not relevant to the population proportions.

I'm going to try

You are black if other people see you as black
The darker your skin the more racism you face.

Trying to deny this is racist

Barack Obama faced people saying he was not black because he had one white parent. Well he certainly the racist thought he was black.

In Apartheid South Africa you were black if you had 'one drop of black blood'

Racists are easily able to identify a black person.

@packetandtripe

Oxford University has announced that more than 22% of undergraduate students starting in 2019 were Britons from Black and Minority Ethnic (BAME) backgrounds. Stats in the OP's favour. So *@qweryuiop* really what the fuck are you on about, go educate yourself, I should not have to feed it to you. (Like the 22 year year old on this thread has mentioned so many times ) But wait I have fucked up haven't I.....

Black and minority ethnic not black.

If you don’t agree, why is it impossible to just say “well, I would prefer to support all BAME people. That’s what I’ll do.”

I said exactly that on the the ops other thread which prompted her to label me a racist, a white supremacist and to not be posting in good faith.

patricks - you don't appear to have answered my very straightforward question. I will presume that you are either unwilling or unable to.

I have;
I have no idea what you mean.
Black people = black people.
I don't understand.
Maybe someone can help me understand this question?

because this is not about anyone, anyone else out of that , this is only about one person's perspective, so maybe out of that 22% only 0.001 qualifies for the current movement in OP's eyes - the reason everyone is protesting amidst a pandemic. @lemonsandlimes123 catch her out, she won't/can't answer anyway. Wait for the response, point will be proven again.

Hearhooves - the problem with your analysis is that it assumes all other things are equal when people are being taken into custody and that everyone detained should be there. The fact that BAME people are more likely to be detained is actually the nub of the matter, we know that there are significant issues with institutional racism in this country and your analysis leaves out this key element. If BAME people were equally likley to be detained in the first place then your argument would hold more water.

@packetandtripe

Oxford University has announced that more than 22% of undergraduate students starting in 2019 were Britons from Black and Minority Ethnic (BAME) backgrounds. Stats in the OP's favour. So *@qweryuiop* really what the fuck are you on about, go educate yourself, I should not have to feed it to you. (Like the 22 year year old on this thread has mentioned so many times ) But wait I have fucked up haven't I.....

You’ve quoted the figure for BAME students there, not black. For black students I think it’s around 2.5%.

patricks - just to let you know irish travellers and romany travellers are two distinct ethnic groups.
I'm aware, hence why I said travellers, on a whole.

I have;
I have no idea what you mean.
Black people = black people.
I don't understand.
Maybe someone can help me understand this question?

get the children off their soapboxes; it's not you Greta is it? Answer the bloody question; grown up enough to post an inflammatory thread, big girl enough to answer the question.

As instructed by zebras could you explain how travellers, on a whole, romany, Irish, can be identified as a traveller by their face alone?

Oh, you see me now? Beginning to think I was invisible to you.

I don't want this to be derailed even further, I just ask that you don't make ill informed, uneducated comments about nomadic peoples.

fuck it, I have kids, I'm off, this is exhausting

PatricksRum
@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
Let me word it differently. What is your opinion on the oppression of black people and that black people are more than twice as likely to die in custody?
Op, you are misrepresenting again.

Show me the statistics that support your claim. You can't, because you are wrong.

The twice as likely to die is based on working out the percentage of black people who die in custody from the number of black people in society. Then the number of white people who die in custody with the number of white people in society.

But

When you work out the percentages based on the number of black people who die in custody against the number of black people in custody and the same for white people, white people have a 25% greater chance.

I haven't explained it very well but look at the data yourself. It's not meaningful to look at the number of people dying in custody against the number of people who aren't in custody. The people in the general population aren't at risk of dying in custody, by virtue of the fact they aren't in custody.

So, I could work out the chance of getting pregnant. I wouldn't take the whole population of the UK and then calculate percentages from that would I, because I would be including men, children and post menopausal women. To get an accurate percentage chance of pregnancy I need to look at a specific group ie women of childbearing age.

It's the same thing here. Black people bare over represented within the prison population and that is a very important question to ask - why is that?

But it's just inaccurate to say that black people bare twice as likely to die in custody than white people. It simply isn't true.

Over the past ten years 140 white people have died in custody and 13 black people. Against numbers in custody, white people have a 25% increased chance of dying.*

Here

^What do the figures show?

Over the past 10 years, 163 people have died in or following police custody in England and Wales, according to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) - the body responsible for police complaints.

Death in custody is the term for anybody who dies while in the custody of the state - this could include while being detained by a police officer or while being held as a prisoner in a police station.

Of the deaths in the last 10 years:

140 were white
13 were black
10 were from other minority ethnic groups.
When you compare these figures to how much of the population these groups make up (as measured by the 2011 census ), black people are more than twice as likely to die in police custody.

The 2011 census - the most accurate source - showed that 3% of the English population were black (though this proportion may have grown since then). Black people accounted for 8% of deaths in custody.^

Source: www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/52890363

*patricks - it is a black and white question so to speak! I am genuinely not trying to catch you out.

Are you referring solely to people who can trace their heritage back to sub saharan africa for example?*

No. I can't trace my heritage back there. My ancestors were slaves. Our surname is a common English name. I'm still black.
I'm referring to black people on a whole.