You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

She doesn't want us to fight to end racism against all BAME people. She wants white people to fight racism against black people only for now because this is their time.”

I'll correct that for you.

She doesn't want us to fight to end racism against all BAME people right now, on this thread.

@PlanDeRaccordement

In Australia, aborigines have joined the protests and aligned themselves with the BLM movement. Surely the same could be true for Native Americans? It would be very sad if that couldn't, as they have the same battles.

*Because we are at the bottom of the hierachy (we= black people)

No you’re not. Not even in the US. The Native Americans are at the bottom. Why?
Because Genocide is worse than Slavery and so their descendants have more inherited trauma.
Because they are most likely to be murdered by police of all races in the US not black people. But they get zero publicity. They don’t have a NALM movement. They have no “white allies”.
Because Native American women are the most likely to be murdered by anyone of all races and both sexes.*

I'm not in the US. How many native Americans do we have in the UK?

If a Muslim person created a thread along the lines of 'you're not Muslim, you have never experienced islamophobia', I am pretty sure there would be similar floods of people coming to argue that they have been persecuted because of their religion, that there are Christian people attacked in Islamic countries every day. If a Muslim person on that thread said 'That's not the point here and I don't care', I would sincerely hope that the majority would see their frustration and move on. Because if they have created a space to talk about their own issues and are inundated with responses about how they're not the only ones, they will quickly get frustrated.

Now we have Native Americans wheeled out as some sort of “gotcha”
Genocide and slavery are both awful and on both counts the culprits were white Europeans including the British

Saying that being teased or insulted for being Irish or Roma or Welsh is in no way comparable to people being truly afraid that a petrol bomb will be put through their letter box. If there are white people who have had those experiences, I believe everybody here would like to hear them

You honestly have no clue about the plight of nomadic peoples, do you?!

The Roma, right now, across Europe, are being firebombed out of their homes and then shot when they try to flee with their children. Dead Roma children left on beaches a few feet from where holiday makers sun themselves.
That's just a small part of what is happening to them right now, but no one gives a single fuck. I mean hey, they've survived genocide a few times already, no biggie, eh?

I'm a Traveller and growing up we've had the police physically remove us from where we stay, physically dragging us from our homes. At 5 years old I experienced our house being burned to the ground, a gang of local people attempting to push my mothers chest down onto a staked fence. Police do nothing, they actively encourage violence and hatred towards us.
There are more things but those are just a few. You say that we're not brought up in a world where people see us as ugly because of our skin and features, and you'd be right. What we are brought up in is a world that sees us as less than dogs, were talked about and treated as if we are animals.

I wasn't going to post anything about my experiences, I have been happy to just listen but I can't let such ignorance about racism faced by nomadica peoples go unchallenged.

AMemeByAnyOtherName

She isn't asking to talk about her experiences though is she?

Have people forgotten the premise of AIBU?

A poster states a position and then the entire concept is that people argue for or against - AIBU/AINBU

She has stated that white people can't experience racism - the entire point of posting in AIBU is to invite arguments for and against this.position.

If the thread had been "black people suffer racism" - then that's what the post will be about.

If she wanted to talk about racism and how it affects the black community then you don't post in AIBU which is a debating thread.

As for is she not allowed to want to focus on racism against black people - she can focus on it all she wants. That's entirely up to her.

She can't force me to focus only on racism against black people though and to me that is incredibly decisive. I want to see an end to racism. If the BLM movement is really only going to allow racism against black people to be discussed how do they see that panning out? Do they think our government will implement policies and law changes that affect or benefit only black people?

I watched a video last night where a black man in America was talking about what needs to change and he was adamant that this is not about racism alone. His view was very much that it's about money and power/influence too. That it's poverty that causes many of the problems that black people face (this is in America) and that that is where efforts should be focused first and foremost. Many people might disagree but it's an interesting discussion. His argument was that wealthy black Americans might still face racism but that their ability to fight it or to not be so affected by it is solely due to having money.

These are the discussions that I find most useful. Hearing about where changes can be made and the impact that they will have.

Just having "check your privilege" yelled at you makes not an iota of difference does it?

@AMemeByAnyOtherName

True, and if a Jewish poster started a thread about anti-semitism, including the Holocaust, and someone brought up the Palestinian debate and how the Israelis have treated them, they would be given very short shrift.

@PatricksRum

*What's your opinion on black people being at the bottom of the hierachy?

At the bottom of what hierarchy?*

Yes Zebra. What's your opinion on that?

I asked you what hierarchy op.

I can't have an opinion because I don't know what hierarchy you are talking about.

I asked you, you ignored me.

She doesn't want us to fight to end racism against all BAME people right now, on this thread.

No. You said on your other threads that this whole fight is only about black people and excludes other AME. That the BLM movement is only about black people and excludes AME people. You have not once said "only on this thread". Why lie? Why pretend you haven't said what you said?

Meme not by me.

sorry aimed at mittens.

Meme
But OP did not create a thread to talk about black peoples and racism. Her threads title is “You’re white, you cannot experience racism” so of course white people who have experienced racism and BAME people who have witnessed anti-white racism are actually obeying the thread title and subject with their posts.

The OP is the frustrating one because she did not like the responses that disagreed with her thread title and has tried to bait and switch by claiming, oh no, her thread isn’t about white people experiencing or not experiencing racism despite its title and opening post, but really about black people and racism. It’s not even about non-white people experiencing racism because all the AMES have been told to shut up, it’s not about us, go away, etc etc.

zebras
What’s wrong with BLM being just about Black people? I thought that was the point?? Hence the name.

Actually aren,t working class white boys at the bottom of the education HIERACHY AT THE MOMENT IN UK? (afrocarribeans com close but nigerians do quite well isn,t that right.)

or our prime minister and his disgusting views on how some Asian women dress

Didn’t he write (in an article supporting the right to wear a niqab/burqa) that they looked like daleks and letterboxes? Hardly a ‘disgusting’ view.

Or is it not permitted to have an opinion on the way people dress?

What about finding hipsters or goths funny to look at? What about toffs in top hats? NASCAR fans? Or do we have to respect and admire everybody’s wardrobe choices?

If a Muslim person created a thread along the lines of 'you're not Muslim, you have never experienced islamophobia',

You're misrepresenting the thread though.

If op had said " you aren't back so you've never experienced racism" then you would reasonably expect non black people to describe the racism that they've suffered.

If the thread was, to use religion as you have, "only Muslims can experience religious persecution" you would expect people to contradict them.

If you don't want opposing views then why set up an untrue statement? Are we all meant to acquiesce? Can op say whatever she wants, even if untrue or inaccurate, and no one is allowed to point it out?

She has said white people can't experience racism. That's simply not true. Roma and Irish Travellers have recognition in law as a distinct group - they suffer racism. Jewish people suffer racism. So, her statement is quite simply, untrue.

@june2007

Actually aren,t working class white boys at the bottom of the education HIERACHY AT THE MOMENT IN UK? (afrocarribeans com close but nigerians do quite well isn,t that right.)

They do the least well in school as a group. However, doing badly in school is hardly the be-all-and-end-all.

On other points, yes BLM is about black lives. This thread is intended to be as well, though the title and opening posts don't make that clear. Please accept this.

@Wizadorawobble I am thoroughly confused as to how you managed to come to that conclusion through what I said. At no point in your post did you mention that you or those you love have simply been teased about your accents. You have actually experienced the more terrifying aspect of what racism truly is. So it's people like you who should be correcting those that come here to complain that being called a 'paddy' or a 'sheep-shagger' at times in their life means they understand what racism truly is. You see?

Op
“I'm not in the US.”

Well there you go, where your ethnicity is in the local hierarchy depends on where you are. You are not always at the bottom and, similarly, white people are not always at the top.

@WakeAndBake

No, it is not okay that the Prime Minister mocked religious dress. He did not offer an opinion, he made a flippant and disrespectful comment.

The inability to focus on the point is incredible in this thread. This is about black lives not mattering. The responses have really opened my eyes to the level of denial out there. And I say this as a white person! How can people not see that a one off instance of being abused for being white is not the same as what many black people experience day in day out, how it’s endemic and insidious. Quite shocked at the lack of listening on this thread.

@Wizadorawobble

Saying that being teased or insulted for being Irish or Roma or Welsh is in no way comparable to people being truly afraid that a petrol bomb will be put through their letter box. If there are white people who have had those experiences, I believe everybody here would like to hear them

You honestly have no clue about the plight of nomadic peoples, do you?!

The Roma, right now, across Europe, are being firebombed out of their homes and then shot when they try to flee with their children. Dead Roma children left on beaches a few feet from where holiday makers sun themselves.
That's just a small part of what is happening to them right now, but no one gives a single fuck. I mean hey, they've survived genocide a few times already, no biggie, eh?

I'm a Traveller and growing up we've had the police physically remove us from where we stay, physically dragging us from our homes. At 5 years old I experienced our house being burned to the ground, a gang of local people attempting to push my mothers chest down onto a staked fence. Police do nothing, they actively encourage violence and hatred towards us.
There are more things but those are just a few. You say that we're not brought up in a world where people see us as ugly because of our skin and features, and you'd be right. What we are brought up in is a world that sees us as less than dogs, were talked about and treated as if we are animals.

I wasn't going to post anything about my experiences, I have been happy to just listen but I can't let such ignorance about racism faced by nomadica peoples go unchallenged.

Thank you for posting. I've been trying to argue this point, unsuccessfully, with op across two threads now.

She wants her belief that she has it worst reaffirmed. I think the racism suffered by black.people is terrible and must stop but that does not mean that they have the monopoly on racism or oppression not that other groups aren't suffering terrible atrocities right now.

This is why I can't get on board with supporting only one group of people, to the exclusion of everyone else that is also being persecuted and oppressed because of their race.

The only hierarchy I'm aware of isn't ab

This was shared on Facebook yesterday.