You're white you cannot experience racism 3

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And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

OP, your unpleasant and belligerent attitude is doing you no favours.

As a black woman, I stand with Dreep and commend her for her gracious words.

I'm white my race is predominantely white with mixed ethnicity.
The racism has continued for over a thousand years and still happening now, even when it's unacceptable and illegal to treat other races/ ethnic minorities the same.
Yes, of course white people can experience racism.

@PlanDeRaccordement no, throughout all of this it is apparent that OP is trying to say that white people can't experience racism to the deep, unsettling extent that black and other BAME people can. Even if you disagree with that statement, the people popping up to reiterate that having white skin with a different accent are really not helping people with your opinion argue their point. Saying that being teased or insulted for being Irish or Roma or Welsh is in no way comparable to people being truly afraid that a petrol bomb will be put through their letter box. If there are white people who have had those experiences, I believe everybody here would like to hear them. Because that is truly terrifying, deserves recognition and people of any skin colour who have had these experiences will truly understand the meaning and the anger behind many of the posts on this thread.

OP wrote the thread title in unambiguous 'black and white' terms to stimulate debate, make you think and expose uncomfortable truths

If she had posted 'white people almost never experience racism (with the possible exceptions of travellers and whoever else) and if they do it's to a much lesser degree' then she would have had a few nods of agreement and challenged and changed nobody

I actually am Welsh. It has never, ever crossed my mind to think I might have experienced racism because of that! The odd sheep shagger joke isn't racism. If you really seriously think that experience is comparable then you need to read this thread.

I am not considered to be at higher likelihood of committing crime because I am Welsh or to be ugly or violent or less than human.
The only stereotypes that apply are that I might be a bit stupid and uncultured which are pretty easily dismissed and don't limit my life in any way. My accent is usually regarded as charming and a positive. There are many nice stereotypes about Welsh people eg that they are friendly and can sing well from which I benefit.

Actually the sheep joks are prejudive, like the irsh jokes are. we belittle it but it,s there.

throughout all of this it is apparent that OP is trying to say that white people can't experience racism to the deep, unsettling extent that black and other BAME people can.

This isn't the extent of it.

I'm not fussed that op won't acknowledge that some white people face racism - I used Jewish people and Travellers as an example - (the assertion that Jews aren't white was a particular highlight of the previous thread) - many of us understand that some white people do face racism, but op won't and there's no changing her mind.

My biggest disagreement with op is that this isn't about racism faced by BAME people, according to op. She is excluding all AME people from this. This is about black people only.

She doesn't want us to fight to end racism against all BAME people. She wants white people to fight racism against black people only for now because this is their time.

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee I just hope that you understand that those things you've experienced still aren't right. I hope you can see that I and others on this thread are not at all saying all that should continue - you shouldn't have to deal with that, nobody should have to deal with bullying.

It just means so much that you and others like you are able to separate those experiences with those that are (hopefully) being highlighted by threads like these. Thank you.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras so? What's wrong with acknowledging one section of injustice for a brief moment in time? By focusing on deaths and mistreatment of women during childbirth it doesn't negate any other deaths or miscarriages of justice during any other surgical procedure. Why is it not okay, in your opinion, to zoom in on one thing and discuss it?

WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

I hear what you are saying but how can people argue that racism and anti semitism faced by Jewish people is insignificant?

Or the persecution that people in the Traveller community face is insignificant?

I understand that the black community face racism, both directly and indirectly. I do understand. It's terrible, it is indefensible and it must stop.

How is it ok though to totally dismiss terrible levels of racism faced by other communities as not being as important?

Asian homes being fire bombed or Asian people being profiled when travelling through airports or being labelled as terrorists by the public just because of how they look, or our prime minister and his disgusting views on how some Asian women dress - is any of that minor in comparison to what the black community face?

If that were true, the OPs thread titles would read:
“You’re White, it’s highly unlikely for you to experience racism”

Not really. Doesn't have a ring to it.
Black people are highly likely to be killed.
Black people are killed.
A sweeping statement.

@packetandtripe What's your opinion on black people being at the bottom of the hierachy?

throughout all of this it is apparent that OP is trying to say that white people can't experience racism to the deep, unsettling extent that black and other BAME people can

Again, that is not what her title and numerous posts say. She has said white people cannot experience racism at all. Not once has she admitted that racism against white people exists. She has even peddled the old prejudice plus power false definition of racism to prop up her opinion that white people can only experience prejudice, but not racism. Why do you think so many are disagreeing with her?

If her opinion was that racism is worse towards black people than white people today in the US. There would be zero disagreement. No debate. It’s there is the FBI statistics:
“In 2018, law enforcement agencies reported that 4,954 single-bias hate crime offenses were motivated by race/ethnicity/ancestry. Of these offenses:

46.9 percent were motivated by anti-Black or African American bias.
20.2 percent stemmed from anti-White bias.”
ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2018/topic-pages/incidents-and-offenses

Please note only 33 states report their hate crimes to the FBI so the total number of 4,954 in 2018 is only a partial picture of the number of race based hate crimes in the US.

AMemeByAnyOtherName

Because op doesn't want us to focus on it for a brief moment. She wants the full focus to be on solving racism against black people and then when that's solved we can focus on someone else. Seriously? How long is it going to take to solve all the societal problems that contribute to problems faced by black people? It's not just a case of changing white people's attitudes is it? We have to solve poverty which leads to crime and gangs and drugs, lack of educational opportunity, ensuring more black people are in senior positions within companies, somehow solving the crime/policing conundrum, and so much more.

How is that possible? How can we tell all other communities (and I'm not including white people in this) that they must wait because we are dealing with this first? I'm quite sure op will be back to call me racist or a white supremacist again as she did on the other thread for using these views.

Yes, of course white people can experience racism.
Racial prejudice, yes. Not systematic racism.

What's your opinion on black people being at the bottom of the hierachy?

At the bottom of what hierarchy?

Ok, well then I don't understand why you think thismis your moment. Because of something that happened in America, but happens all the time in other countries.
Really?
Because we are at the bottom of the hierachy. Our lives are and should be the focus.

Hearhooves
“My biggest disagreement with op is that this isn't about racism faced by BAME people, according to op. She is excluding all AME people from this. This is about black people only.

She doesn't want us to fight to end racism against all BAME people. She wants white people to fight racism against black people only for now because this is their time.”

Yes, this is a disagreement of mine also as an Asian person who was told by OP in the first thread that my experiences with racism “didn’t matter” and that this thread was “about black people”

*OP, your unpleasant and belligerent attitude is doing you no favours.
*I'm not asking for a favour.

As a black woman, I stand with Dreep and commend her for her gracious words.
That's nice!

Yes, this is a disagreement of mine also as an Asian person who was told by OP in the first thread that my experiences with racism “didn’t matter” and that this thread was “about black people”

This was one of the statements that shocked me and it has been repeated by op throughout.

I can't support anyone who has this view and if this makes me racist in her eyes well, that's on her.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras if OP was hijacking every thread on MN pedalling the same views, I would in some way see your point. But she hasn't. This is one place for people to discuss one issue. If the title is offensive to some then I hope those it offends can step back and think what it must be like to feel this level of shock, outrage and offense on an almost daily basis. Not everything can be worded delicately in the heat of a moment. If this thread was about violence towards women, I would be saying the same thing to men or anybody jumping on to remind us that men get abused too. They do. That doesn't mean women can't talk about the overwhelming imbalance of violence perpetrated against them by men. None of what you are saying means that Black people can't talk openly about the overwhelming imbalance of discrimination aimed at them, and ask people of any other race to take a look and just listen without waving their arms around crying how unfair it is that they haven't been considered.

I'm listening Meme.

I'm teaching my kids to listen.

We hear you. So, so many of us hear you. I hope you can take a little comfort in that, for what it's worth.

Ditto.

*@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee I just hope that you understand that those things you've experienced still aren't right. I hope you can see that I and others on this thread are not at all saying all that should continue - you shouldn't have to deal with that, nobody should have to deal with bullying.

It just means so much that you and others like you are able to separate those experiences with those that are (hopefully) being highlighted by threads like these. Thank you.*

I really agree with that and I thank you also for not only using your experience to relate but by not using it to derail the thread as others have done.
I have no issue of with posts like as a traveller I have experienced so much prejudice, imagine that 10x worse

I hear what you are saying but how can people argue that racism and anti semitism faced by Jewish people is insignificant?
Literally no one said that.
Irrelevant, yes.
Insignificant, no.

Because we are at the bottom of the hierachy (we= black people)

No you’re not. Not even in the US. The Native Americans are at the bottom. Why?
Because Genocide is worse than Slavery and so their descendants have more inherited trauma.
Because they are most likely to be murdered by police of all races in the US not black people. But they get zero publicity. They don’t have a NALM movement. They have no “white allies”.
Because Native American women are the most likely to be murdered by anyone of all races and both sexes.

*What's your opinion on black people being at the bottom of the hierachy?

At the bottom of what hierarchy?*

Yes Zebra. What's your opinion on that?