You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

As soon as you talk though.
We don't get that far. Therefore you're privileged.

ah 3r thread...still at it OP, did you grow up yet, did you learn anything? This isn't about white people, though, so I don't care right now. A line trump would use. Why then title your AIBU as You're white you cannot experience racism 3 . Absolutely juvenile. No cause stands on its own. Make hay whilst the sun shines, no representative, no tasks set out, no goal clarified, no logic; just let's all gather as any as possible and let's drain the white privileged fuckers who work for the NHS, because ... you know... it is OUR time during a pandemic.

@PatricksRum yes it's your fight and we want to fight with you against those who don't want change therefore it's us against them, that's what I meant by that.

Try being Welsh for a week. I live in England and heart derogatory comments about wales and the Welsh several times a week. People think they're being funny but they're not.

Seriously 🙄

yes it's your fight and we want to fight with you against those who don't want change therefore it's us against them, that's what I meant by that.
Thank you. We need more like you

Try being Welsh for a week. I live in England and heart derogatory comments about wales and the Welsh several times a week. People think they're being funny but they're not.

^How can you spot a Welsh person from their face alone?
I'd love to be white and Welsh for a week. I'd feel privileged.^

It's true that you can't spot a Welsh person from their face, so they can hide in a crowd. But that's only the case if they don't open their mouths. As soon as they start to speak, it's obvious that they're Welsh because of their accent.

It was the same for Irish people during the Troubles.

It's not the same as the struggles black people face, I'm not suggesting that. But sadly they do still face a lot of prejudice.

shame on you. Old ives matter and I have yet to see you respond intelligently, through 3 threads now. Very very young and a bad representation for a community you pretend to represent.

ah 3r thread...still at it OP, did you grow up yet, did you learn anything?
I'm 4 days older.
I've learnt that I was right.

This isn't about white people, though, so I don't care right now. A line trump would use.
Nah Trump would say he doesn't care about black people at any time.

Why then title your AIBU as You're white you cannot experience racism 3 .
Because it's a continuation of the first 2.

Absolutely juvenile.
OK.

No cause stands on its own.
Is that right?

Make hay whilst the sun shines, no representative, no tasks set out, no goal clarified, no logic; just let's all gather as any as possible and let's drain the white privileged fuckers who work for the NHS, because ... you know... it is OUR time during a pandemic.
No idea what you're on about so I'll just mile

Smile even *

Christ I admire your stamina Patrick, a lot of people are proving you right just by opening their gubs, there are times I have been ashamed to be white on this thread. Keep going, you aren't alone with this

Yes but Mittens didn,t you know white people can,t face racism/discrimination. (Oh besides the Irih, Jews, and Travellers, east Europeans ect ect ect.)

To give a few personal examples to try and reinforce the actual meaning of this thread:

When I worked in a retail job a few years ago, I was regularly ribbed by my white colleagues that my hair looked like pubic hair. If anybody ever flirted with me whilst I was serving at the till, I was genuinely told that this couldn't have been deliberate based on my hair. These comments were shrouded with laughter and in every single other way, these people genuinely enjoyed my company and respected my skills in the workplace. It seemed genuinely to be the case that they thought these remarks were funny.

I have a brother who is much younger than me, currently 19, and who is in all respects far, far more intelligent than I am. He has won scholarships to private schools and colleges and continues to excel in every way academically. We both have a black mother and a white father. He would come home, at 16 years old, and tell me fervently that black people have smaller brains and will never be as intelligent as white people. He showed me legitimate studies to support this, and became very upset with me that I would disagree with his 'facts'. He was actually proudly stating that he accepts he will never be as intelligent or capable as a white person and that we need to re-evaluate our opinions of ourselves to allow humanity to progress. He of course now does not believe this, but is especially angry that he was ever duped into believing it in the first place.

Despite all of this, the real fear and internal sickness started after I had my children, which is often the case for BAME people in the UK and the USA. As I watched a video made by the New York Times regarding George Floyd's death, I could picture my son in his position, and the anger that I had previously felt in my life was amplified to the point that I could barely coherently form a sentence without swearing. Suddenly everything else mattered in relation to this incident and became one ball of worry and disgust. So I am slowly trying to process this and explain how I feel, in the hope that some people will listen.

@june2007 I do find that view very annoying, having faced a shocking amount of bullying as a child for being half Czech, with an F who was obviously Czech because of his accent, who was accused of being a Russian spy during the Cold War. (I'm not showing much sympathy for him because he was abusive.)

I've said many times that I know that it isn't the same as what black people go through and I can hide my identity now. But I certainly couldn't as a child.

Sorry, rant over.

@patricksrum
I appreciate that your responses to me have been respectful (except when I posted something that was not respectful myself, and I was very grateful that you accepted my apology).

I do disagree with some things you have said, and in particular the way you have dismissed acts of racism towards non-black people.

I will continue to stand by you in the fight for BLM, but I think I need to leave this thread. You, and others have said many things that have challenged me and helped me to understand more.

@Mittens030869 the thread is titled You're white you cannot experience racism I can guarantee you the troubles are as bad as what is faced by black people today. This is the title of the thread.

@WhatWouldDominicDo my mother worked very hard to change her West Indian accent when she came to this country and genuinely aimed towards (and achieved) sounding as eloquent as the 'talking clock' on the phone. She is very posh. People don't even know she's black when she speaks on the phone. (Why on earth would she care enough to do all of that? 🤔) That has caused a lot of confusion and very interesting backtracking over the years. If it wasn't so depressing I would genuinely find it amusing.

the thread is titled You're white you cannot experience racism I can guarantee you the troubles are as bad as what is faced by black people today. This is the title of the thread.
Ah dear. I can't argue with that. I'm cracking up.

*Absolutely juvenile.
OK.

No cause stands on its own.
Is that right?*

Point proven.

The only thing the OP of this thread and countless other posters are trying to make others understand is that it is SO VERY UNLIKELY that any person with a white complexion and white features has ever experienced this extreme level of constant criticism and disapproval.

If that were true, the OPs thread titles would read:
“You’re White, it’s highly unlikely for you to experience racism”

But that’s not her opinion at all. She truly thinks that white people cannot ever experience racism. Not only just in the US today, but also for all of human history and everywhere in the world.

We'll only sort this situation out for good if ALL people face up to all of the uncomfortable truths past and present and people are really honest, not just saying what they think others want to hear and not avoiding speaking up out of politeness or fear. I think we need a very thorough Truth and Reconciliation style committee to convene like they had in South Africa and like I think they should have in Northern Ireland.

More people are going to have to be prepared to actually wade through detailed information and statisitics and read news stories and reports that may not directly affect them and sometimes be prepared to throw out cherished beliefs.
Social Media alone can not deal with complex issues, it can raise awareness but where do you go after that?
How do we handle knife crime without heavy handed policing?
How do we improve educational attainment without leaving white working class boys even further behind?
How do we deal with the drug trade?
How do we keep young people out of jail without being soft on crime?
How do we make sure black professionals are visible without opening ourselves up to accusations of tokenism?
How do we talk openly and honestly when we are scared of accidently offending people or provoking a racist response?
How do we learn to cope with changing populations and communities?
How do we all learn to share opportunities and resources?

Climate change is going to force everyone in the world into situations where we have to share land and resources with new neighbours so we better get on with working out how to do it while acknowledging and respecting everyone's needs.

I personally am quite a logical person, I want to see pragmatic evidence based solutions.
The pandemic has acted as an accelerant to a desire for change for many people, my fingers are crossed the demos haven't acted as an accelerant to the pandemic. I would not choose to take part at this time due to the risks involved but then I'm not young.

I'm listening Meme.

I'm teaching my kids to listen.

We hear you. So, so many of us hear you. I hope you can take a little comfort in that, for what it's worth.

It isn't the same at all, and I can accept that it isn't racism, certainly not like what black people face. I saw the way black friends of my family were treated by immigration officers, it was at an entirely different level.

But it still was damaging. I actually think younger people can't understand what life was like during the period of the Troubles and the Cold War.

@GlendaSugarbeanIsJudgingYou I do. It makes it worth it to keep talking. Thank you.

Dreep

A beautiful post.

@PatricksRum

I do not think most people in the world would agree with this. I wasn't being serious...

Ok, well then I don't understand why you think thismis your moment. Because of something that happened in America, but happens all the time in other countries.