You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

You don't get to instruct / ask / tell anyone not to engage with anyone else.
Yes I do. Anyone, anywhere can ask something.

Nope. Not on a public Internet forum where we all have equal entitlement to post and engage.

You don't get to tell others what to do!

FGS, you don't see the risible nature of your posts, do you?

I do think it's strange to have a title that you yourself have said that you don't agree with and that encourages posters to post things that distract from the issue at hand, but I respect your right to make that decision. If this thread is helping you or other people, then it's important.
No I didn't say that. To be clear I do agree with it, I wouldn't post a lie for attention.
Thank you

I 💯 agree OP's actions have been hateful.
You're not even trying to discuss the point nor are you simply agreeing with her. Every single response you write you make it about your feelings about me.
Respectively, I'm not engaging with you anymore on anything but the matter at hand. Blm

@qweryuiop I sincerely wish I knew more people like you in real life. Thankfully, my partner is very much like you, and I am eternally grateful that people like you do exist. You have also not gone unnoticed.

@PatricksRum

* (But I don't really accept your weak explanation. You, IMO, are all about causing hurt & creating dissent here).* Nope. White racist people caused my hurt. My hurt was deepened when another one of us was murdered by them. I'm expressing my hurt.

That's understandable. I wish there wasn't a "us and them" divide.

And am I wrong in saying that it isn't unusual for black people to experience violence from white people in other countries as well? Just seems a quite unfair that when it happens in America it gets so much attention, but not when it happens in other countries. (Please don't misinterpret that)

Leaving the thread now, I want to thank all those who have posted thoughtful & articulate viewpoints, have chosen to share their experience, and have caused me to reflect.

That refers to posters who I may not agree with, but I appreciate being challenged and consider aspects of this discussion I hadn't previously.

Sadly, across 3 threads, this has not once included OP. That's nothing to do with the struggle against racism, BLM, or any other aspect of prejudice, but refers to your nasty posting style, your personalised attacks, hyperbolic approaches and unkindness to one poster especially. In her last post she talked about how your posts have hurt her, and you've ignored that entirely.

@Dreep you're a total legend. ❤️

That's understandable. I wish there wasn't a "us and them" divide.
Me too. Hopefully we can change the future anf become one again.*

And am I wrong in saying that it isn't unusual for black people to experience violence from white people in other countries as well? Just seems a quite unfair that when it happens in America it gets so much attention, but not when it happens in other countries. (Please don't misinterpret that)*
It isn't unusual. We experience it in other countries too. America is at the centre of the universe though, for everything.

@AMemeByAnyOtherName

Sadly, the biggest thing I have learnt from discussing race on mums net is how many people don't feel the same way I do.

But it's also strange to think I've never had these conversations with the black people in my life. I would think that it would be strange of me to bring it up. Is it?

We do not have the same history of slavery and segregation as America. Not necessary to educate me on Britain’s role in the slave trade. I am saying we do not have the SAME history of slavery and segregation - and guns.

To compare what happened in America to life in the UK shows the ignorance of the British protesters. They’ve seen a woke bandwagon and they’re on it, that’s all. The public trashing of their own country is embarrassing.

Britain’s role in the slave trade (centuries ago) is well-documented. Do the protesters know as much about Britain’s role in the abolishon of slavery around the world? Or is that not a relevant part of the narrative?

@qweryuiop hmmm, speaking from personal opinion? I would probably find it strange at first, as it's not something I'm at all used to experiencing. But if the person who raised the topic was as well meaning as you are, I would feel very happy deep down that somebody took the time to ask me how I felt and spend any time at all acknowledging me. All in all, I think it would be worth it, if you felt brave enough to try, although I can understand why people often don't, which is in itself a shame.

@SpokeTooSoon Is that all you have to say?

perhaps I got your motives wrong

No perhaps. I think you did. But you didn't even want to give me a chance so you will never know that.

And I will never know if I was right in thinking if you were being snide and sly with your posts. That sucks.

Throwing something like that into the ether is unjust and uncalled for. You do not know the damage you do or hurt you cause.

I have to march out with earrings I’m afraid. This isn’t doing me any good. I don’t agree with an us and them stance and I don’t think I ever will.

I understand that people may still feel anger and that is their right. I just hope they aren’t the same as me and think in 30/40 years ‘now what did that achieve’

I will never be silenced though. Know that.

@Dreep

I can imagine some of the outrage I’m going to face but I am uncomfortable.

I am so tired of the term ‘white privilege’ being used as a defensive or offensive weapon. I also don’t care for ‘check your privilege’.

I understand that some will be hugely surprised and probably offended by that. Don’t get me wrong I am bloody painfully aware that it exists.

I think that by continually pressing the point that someone owes us because they’ve always had it better or can change things ‘for’ us because their voice is seemingly more worthy is insulting to both sides.

It is such a sweeping statement. And is deeply unfair to those who continually battle to help our communities move forward (as boots on the ground) to help effect change from the bottom. Because Lord knows it isn’t happening terribly quickly from the top.

Accentuating differences continually just ensures we can never truly be the same. And that isn’t right. It cannot be right.

We cannot sadly change the past. We can acknowledge it, really understand it, then move swiftly on and walk forward. But we cannot change it and by insisting on referring to the past All the time just serves to keep us there.

As such I cannot and will not accept violent protests in my name. White or black. You are letting me down. Clearly some are finding it acceptable. I do not.

Quite why missiles and fireworks that are being thrown at police and their horses will make for change is beyond me. We cannot fight hate with hate. It isn’t working.

I love the idea of peaceful protests. But the image from yesterday that is in my head is that the poor police and their animals faced the hate that we are protesting against. It isn’t right. I cannot accept it. I can’t condone it. I never will.

lily’s post really resonated with me. If we can’t move forward together we cannot move forward.

I’m cracking on a bit now and would love to see change in my lifetime. I’m not sure I will but I do hope. I will always hope.

As a very insignificant aside, I’m heartily tired of ‘whataboutery* as a phrase and as an insult. Or indeed just a virtuous ‘I can use it in this post - look at me!’

I will never stop thinking that everyone matters. Because I don’t see why I matter more. Has it been easy for me? No. But I hope I am kind enough and tolerant enough to understand that everyone has experiences that matter to them. For my life to matter then theirs should too.

This is such a moving post.

It's this view that will change things. It's this that will galvanise people into action. Why? Because you can't argue against it and anyone who does shows themselves up and doesn't recruit people to stand with them.

I'm old enough to remember skin head gangs and the National Front - ugly, ugly ideas and attitudes. They resonated though with people who had nothing. They recruited many white working class boys who couldn't get jobs, who were witnessing their communities decimated by mass unemployment. It was fertile ground for far right groups to spread hate and propaganda, by seeking to blame the BAME for taking their jobs etc.

I fear this happening again now. I truly fear it. Coming out of this pandemic many people will be facing unemployment, a recession. Start telling at them that they have white privilege and then watch hateful organisations like the EDL or Tommy Robinson rush in to capitalise.

We need people now to unite, to fight against racism, to use the momentum that there is right now. Our government doesn't know which way to turn right now because of the pandemic, the tanking economy so they aren't voluntarily going to divert their attention towards tackling racism unless they see that the country is demanding it. To do that you have to have volume. You won't get it if you alienate people as the op appears to be doing on this thread. She wants no one else's voice heard right now because this is her moment. Yet there are thousands of AME people in this country suffering from racism too who need to be heard. How can it be wrong to have all of those voices calling together for the same thing?

For me, the most powerful, thought provoking demonstrations that I've seen during this have been the ones where thousands of protesters have taken the knee, fist raised, in silence. Thousands of people, of all races, kneeling as one. Compare that with the riots, with the scenes in London yesterday. We end up focusing on the violence and the message is lost.

@Dreep, your post is beautiful. I stand with you and for you 🌻

What do you ,eam patricksrum, Don,t you think that is relevant or important. If not why not.

Try being Welsh for a week. I live in England and heart derogatory comments about wales and the Welsh several times a week. People think they're being funny but they're not.

@june2007 on its own? No. Because the poster hasn't a freezer anything else.

Try being Welsh for a week. I live in England and heart derogatory comments about wales and the Welsh several times a week. People think they're being funny but they're not.
How can you spot a Welsh person from their face alone?
I'd love to be white and Welsh for a week. I'd feel privileged.

“The Barbary slave trade. This trade continued well into the 19th century”
After the black slave trade.- OP

Not true.

Trans Atlantic slave trade was from 1503 to 1808- 295 yrs
Barbary slave trade was from 661 to 1924, 1,263 yrs

It started before, ended after and lasted almost a 1,000 yrs longer.

@WhatWouldDominicDo my post from last night has been lost in a sea so I'll repeat it specifically to respond to your post, with a very slight amendment:

Even white people who are at some point in their lives targeted with some form of racism, even those in the 'white minority', even the Irish, the Roma, the Welsh, are not regularly informed from as young as they can possibly understand that their physical features mean they can NEVER be 'beautiful'. Having Afro hair, darker skin, these things have even been historically highlighted on children's shows to be features of 'ugliness'. It has been a very recent development that some features like a larger behind or bigger lips are considered beautiful and I'm sure that in itself will make certain people say 'see, black people are favoured all the time'. And don't even get me started on intelligence - when my black mother would write things for work her colleagues would ask if her white husband wrote it for her. THIS HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. The only thing the OP of this thread and countless other posters are trying to make others understand is that it is SO VERY UNLIKELY that any person with a white complexion and white features has ever experienced this extreme level of constant criticism and disapproval. And yet the immediate response for some is to say 'hang on a minute that's not entirely true'. Why does it matter?Nothing is EVER true 100% of the time. But when it becomes so overwhelmingly frequent, is it not okay to ask other people to look at it, to acknowledge it?

However when people nod appreciatively at her posts and simultaneously vilify the OP they are saying that it is not acceptable for black people to be angry about racism. They can only resist quietly and politely.

I'm.angry at the ops treatment of Dreep. That on her other thread she wanted to remove her, to stop.her from speaking, to encourage others to not engage with her.

Op wants to lecture all of us on our supposed failings but doesn't want to acknowledge that she has some of her own. Not cool in my book.

I wish Dreep and earrings would take the zebra with them.

America is at the centre of the universe though, for everything.

I do not think most people in the world would agree with this.

I do not think most people in the world would agree with this.
I wasn't being serious...

As soon as you talk though.

I asked people not to engage with you because you repeatedly purposefully refuse to listen blindingly obvious points and here you are again.

Oh no no no, op. You told people not to engage with another poster too. Why lie? We all saw what you did.