You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

I am so tired of the term ‘white privilege’ being used as a defensive or offensive weapon. I also don’t care for ‘check your privilege’.
The problem is, it isn't offensive or defensive. It's an uncomfortable fact.

*I think that by continually pressing the point that someone owes us because they’ve always had it better or can change things ‘for’ us because their voice is seemingly more worthy is insulting to both sides.
*I don't think they owe us. My point is, you are privileged, it is your duty to use it, not because you owe us but because it's the right thing to do.

Accentuating differences continually just ensures we can never truly be the same. And that isn’t right. It cannot be right.
I disagree. Pointing out your difference in our society isn't causing a divide but explaining to you that accepting and addressing that will create a level playing field.

*We cannot sadly change the past. We can acknowledge it, really understand it, then move swiftly on and walk forward. But we cannot change it and by insisting on referring to the past All the time just serves to keep us there.
*I agree with you but white privilege isn't in the past.

I’m confused. Or are you now answering the statement I asked you to respond to? Along the lines of ‘I think I know why you are trying to derail my thread’

So you think I’m white because I have different opinions? Ok then.

I’ll stop short of an eye roll. But as I said sweeping generalisations are not helpful.

And I’ve never said white privilege is in the past either.

I cannot change your opinion of me clearly. But I would rather be dead than live in a whirlwind of hate and intolerance.

@PatricksRum

I am very sorry that I posted something untrue and that it's still there. I've reported it again as I didn't want you to have to see it. Honestly, I feel your anger in your posts and understand that it is legitimate.

I don't agree with everything you have said but I don't think you're wrong to say it. For example, I do think that beside the specific issue of black lives being killed in police custody, which needs urgent action, most racism likely comes from the same route and should be addressed as a whole. But I think that this is a conversation for another time.

I do agree that now is the time to take action against the killing of black men and women in police custody. I hope that the level of international outrage will make lead to the conviction of the murderers of George Floyd, which would set a precedent that must then be followed in other cases of deaths in custody. It won't be as easy as that though to fully address the issue, as we need to dismantle the beliefs of many people that black people more likely to be criminals or that they are in some way a threat, and the systems that oppress black people. It's a huge, entrenched problem and I will do anything I can to help.

@AMemeByAnyOtherName

I really don't agree with you about @YgritteSnow, and I think you're really personally attacking her.

I don't understand therefore why you're here. You are literally not helping anybody.

You don't get to make this call. Just like OP, you don't own this thread. All posters can choose to be here, and don't have to pass your test for whether they are 'helping' or not.

OP I don't understand why you are picking Dreeps post apart, that is how dreep feels, picking it apart and disagreeing with everything isn't going to change their opinion and feelings.

It seems you are disagreeing with everyone, don't you think this is causing a further divide because what I can see here is that you feel your opinion is the correct one and no one should have a different opinion to you?

The thread is going in circles, and always comes back to "use your white privilege"
Ok so you've established that white people are privileged and so what now? What shall all the white people do now? Apart from recognising whites have privilege how do you suggest they use it?

Not every black person experiences racism and not every white person is racist.

I personally feel that this racism, this divide and this hatred has been caused by the people at the top, they want us to hate, they want us to be divided and they want us to fight, and we are all doing what they want.

Divide and conquer so they can control us.

@Dreep you do live in a whirlwind of hate and intolerance. Regardless of the fact that black people are currently hurt and outraged and attempting to construct opinions verbally that have been silently processing in their minds for years. You have always lived in a whirlwind of hate and intolerance.

I didn't make a call. I gave an opinion.

*So you think I’m white because I have different opinions? Ok then.
*I didn't say that. I'm trying to explain when I say you, us, them, I'm not being specific.

We do have differing opinions. Your opinions remind me of me a few years ago. It is what it is, end goal is the same but different journeys of how we believe we can get there.

Ok. I will clarify that as I wasn’t clear.

I do not wish to live in a world that continues to hate and be intolerant.

I have been angry. It has got me nowhere.

My apologies.

@qweryuiop No, that's okay! I appreciate you coming back to acknowledge it was wrong. I posted before I saw your apology.

I agree, now we should focus on black lives. This isn't to say I'm dismissing other things. Just for example I'm shielded, this is a very present thing right now in the current climate but another thread another time. This thread? BLM.
I'm truly not meaning to say that prejudice is OK and I condone it. I'm just saying let's not discuss prejudices against white people right now, on this thread

I'm genuinely only still here because of how @dreep was ordered from the threads repeatedly. I'd have left the threads ages ago if not for that. I was shocked so few challenged it and it really made me question the motives of the OP. If you note there are large gaps between my posts too, where I read and tried to "educate myself" as instructed. But as the threads go on I just really question the motives of the OP and I don't believe they have good intentions.

I agree 💯 Yvette

Some of us have repeatedly brought up how Dreep was treated. I'm cautious that I don't want to speak for another poster - she can do that herself of course!

But I remain horrified that none of OP's cheer leaders (or OP) have responded to OP's 6:36 post where she took apart Dreep's post, seemingly forgetting that Dreep is black, and continuing to go on about 'our moment', again ignoring that Dreep does not accept that premise, and that OP does not speak for her.

I respect the posters who disagree with me about my views on OP. But I am so horrified that they won't respond to the legitimate questions about how she mistreats others here, especially Dreep. That's not anger about racism. That's bullying behaviour.

Don't worry I won't be around annoying you much today or "influencing" anyone who happens upon the thread,

Joining you in that Yvette. I spent a lot of futile time here yesterday.

you do live in a whirlwind of hate and intolerance. Regardless of the fact that black people are currently hurt and outraged and attempting to construct opinions verbally that have been silently processing in their minds for years. You have always lived in a whirlwind of hate and intolerance.
This is what I'm trying to say, but better put.
I'm not creating a divide, it was already created years ago when racist white people divided us.

What?

I'm not speaking for the entire community. I'm speaking for mudektbv

Obviously a typo, but did you mean to write 'me'? If so, you have then (again) entirely contradicted yourself as every post from you spoke in the plural.

Maybe you meant another word tho?

@Dreep you've been angry and it got you nowhere. I respect that. But there are others who haven't had the opportunity to process their anger yet. It will be sometimes clumsy and sometimes poorly articulated, but please let it happen. Everybody has the right to get through their anger and find that it doesn't help, as you have been able to do.

I understand their situation. A white person's experience of prejudice, however, just isn't relevant.

The person in question (Dreep) is black. My whole post was about your treatment of her

Your reply therefore makes no sense.

You are either wilfully misunderstanding me or trying to cause more offence.

@PatricksRum

Fair enough for sure and I have now understood that. But then why the title? Some people (often ignorant or refusing to accept white privelege, but in my case just disagreeing on an intellectual level) have assumed that you wanted to hear about other forms of prejudice based on the title. I know that I did.

Ok OP. The yous and theys were a little ambiguous to me anyway.

So you don’t think I’m white then? That would be a start.

I’m sad you won’t answer why you think you know why I wanted to derail your thread. But that is your prerogative.

Maybe just not throw out a statement about me if you don’t want to quantify it though. It is unfair and I’ve had enough of unfair.

ygritte I hope you stay here and continue to add your views. All of our views are important. We both might not be popular sometimes but I’m certain you have the same end in sight that I do. And that gladdens me.

I respect Dreeps experience and opinion

However when people nod appreciatively at her posts and simultaneously vilify the OP they are saying that it is not acceptable for black people to be angry about racism. They can only resist quietly and politely.

It comes off like 'Dreep is an acceptable black person because she is not challenging me but OP is not'

There is a dangerous racist stereotype about black people that they are mouthy, uppity. It has got some of them killed.

Are you sure that is not what you are applying to OP

OP I don't understand why you are picking Dreeps post apart, that is how dreep feels, picking it apart and disagreeing with everything isn't going to change their opinion and feelings.
Of course, she feels differently. I'm allowed to respond with how I feel. The same way everyone on this thread has. They've purposefully tried to change my feelings and tell me theyre wrong.
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It seems you are disagreeing with everyone, don't you think this is causing a further divide because what I can see here is that you feel your opinion is the correct one and no one should have a different opinion to you?*
How am I disagreeing with everyone? Have you not read my posts? I've agreed with so many.
The divide is there, it doesn't get much deeper than our lives being taken.*

The thread is going in circles, and always comes back to "use your white privilege"*
I agree, because people are uncomfortable with that statement.
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Ok so you've established that white people are privileged and so what now? What shall all the white people do now? Apart from recognising whites have privilege how do you suggest they use it?*
It's not me that needs to establish it. It's white people.
I've answered how they can use it in many posts including at the beginning of this thread.*

Not every black person experiences racism and not every white person is racist.*
I never said every white person is racist but I am of the opinion that 99.99% of black people experience racism, even if it's just reading a comment in the news that Trump said.*

I personally feel that this racism, this divide and this hatred has been caused by the people at the top, they want us to hate, they want us to be divided and they want us to fight, and we are all doing what they want.*
I mostly disagree. Not all racists are at the top. The divide was created hundreds of years ago by white people who wished to be at the top.*

Divide and conquer so they can control us.*
That's already happened.

@EarringsandLipstick I'm speaking for myself.
When I say you are killing us that isn't me speaking on behalf of the black community, that is me staying a fact quickly.

@dreep

I wish you'd started a thread! I love your approach, how you write, how effective & courteous you've been.

I hope you don't think I'm haunting you through this thread. I know we are all anonymous, I don't actually know you but I am so impressed by everything I read about you and your approach.

Not once have you responded harshly or got overly critical of OP. You've challenged her posts and points but not her.

You said before that you aren't good at expressing yourself - I disagree entirely.

@YgritteSnow 🤦🏻‍♀️ sorry! I just realised I shortened your username to 'Yvette' rather than 'Ygritte' in my last few posts. I hope you realised I was writing in support of you. And I'm sorry about the nasty tone of the posts towards you just how. Have a good day. 💐

*The person in question (Dreep) is black. My whole post was about your treatment of her

Your reply therefore makes no sense.

You are either wilfully misunderstanding me or trying to cause more offence.*

Lord. I'm not speaking about her clearly.
I've said a white person's experience isn't necessary. She isn't white so I'm clearly not referring to her.

@qweryuiop

That's such a gracious post.

You made a mistake & acknowledged it, and rectified it as best you can.

The other points that you raised in that post were valid. And I could feel your upset through them.

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

OP did not say that Asian people don't experience racism

She acknowledged that they do
She said that their experience is in some ways different to that of black people
In particular the threat of police violence is not so acute for Asian people and that is the topic under discussion right now. That is what Black Lives Matter is primarily about.

Again why people are offended especially white people offended on behalf of Asian people who are not actually coming on the thread disagreeing with OP I also have no idea.

Because when they did on the ops other thread she repeatedly told them to go away and ordered others not to engage with them.

Fair enough for sure and I have now understood that. But then why the title? Some people (often ignorant or refusing to accept white privelege, but in my case just disagreeing on an intellectual level) have assumed that you wanted to hear about other forms of prejudice based on the title. I know that I did.

I've linked another thread by another poster.
They had one reply. One.
My title is because
A) a quick sweeping statement.
B) what I was genuinely repeating to white people. I could/ should have used quotations perhaps.