You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

*As a white person, being so invested in being right (as many on here are) is all part of trying to maintain power.
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Such a valid point. It's proving my point entirely.

I put 'very nuanced' in quotes because they're not nuanced at all. They are thinly veiled attempts to derail and undermine people and as I mentioned before, they ignore most if not all of the posts with valid points to make that are actually relevant to this discussion.

You're here to protect the reputation of one person who was ousted by posters on the thread? Then you have some semblance of an understanding as to why this thread was created in the first place.

The more we hear from OP the more I question her motives. She doesn’t want a peaceful solution where we can end this together or unite.
Quote me where I said that please.

Her words “ Been there, done that” in response to my hope that we can work as a team show that.
And that's incorrect how?

This Thread has been created to stir up more racial tensions and hatred towards white people.
I'm sorry, more hatred towards white people?

She makes constant excuses of being so tired etc but if this is “ your time” to stand up you should do it properly.
I've not excused anything with my tiredness. I've stated my exhaustion in this fight as a reason for my blunt manner.

Take the chance and make a great job of it .
Thanks for your advice.

Some of the other posters seem to have done this far better than her.
Perhaps. My approach has still been successful.

There are some really eloquent, clear and informative posters on here who have been really amazing in putting across their views. From them I have learned and I thank them.
Doesn't seem like you've learnt anything if I'm honest.

You're here to protect the reputation of one person who was ousted by posters on the thread? Then you have some semblance of an understanding as to why this thread was created in the first place.

I certainly do.

I'll ignore the rest of your post because you're wrong and I have already addressed that. I don't like getting embroiled with going round and round in circles with one particular poster.

If you note there are large gaps between my posts too
Yes because you're not interested in discussing the matter at hand rather just picking my posts apart as pp said.

Yes because you're not interested in discussing the matter at hand rather just picking my posts apart as pp said.

No, because I wanted to read everything that was posted without being argumentative even when I wasn't agreeing. You're wrong.

Sorry I've been reading and posting simultaneously so there's some things I've posted that are wrong.
@AMemeByAnyOtherName
@qweryuiop
I think yours are the two posts. I saw you rectified your accusation of racism qwer

Oh I have learned- just not from you. You are as an OP to this thread, what Boris Johnson is as PM to this country. A rambling, incoherent disaster. Luckily for you there are a few posters who have stepped in and made it work for you.
If you had learnt you wouldn't be posting what you are.
That's kind of you.
Ad hominem.
You have no points to make so you personally attack me. You've lost.

No personal attack- I don’t know you. I do criticise your manner, your appalling style and the lack of meaningful content in your rants. Yes I’m allowed to do that you know. I’m allowed because this is a forum of free speech. Not just free speech for you by the way whilst you gag and bind us and rant away with a megaphone.

@YgritteSnow you chose to only remain silent when you agreed with something? Yes, of course, very helpful.

Don't worry, you don't need to respond, please go and enjoy your social media free day.

However it’s a beautiful day today. Try to enjoy it.

@PatricksRum not a problem. Thank you for taking the time to respond to the majority of posts.

No personal attack-
What would you call it when you tell someone they're a rambling disaster?

It’s your communication style I refer to. Don’t be so sensitive.

@worzelsnurzel123
I'll ask again, what would you call it when you call someone a rambling distaster?

In which way have I labelled white people as a whole?

With all due respect OP you have done this - e.g. ‘I don’t care for white answers’ which you said in thread 2, and in response to someone who asked when this will stop you said ‘when you stop killing our people’ - with ‘you’ referring to white people.

But in response to the pp who called her out on this, don’t we NEED to look at whites as a whole - privilege and behaviour - if we are to change going forward? Yes it’s uncomfortable, because instinctively we want to say ‘not me!’ - but otherwise it wouldn’t really work.

Apologies I misquoted - the sentence was ‘when we stop getting murdered by you’ not ‘when you stop killing our people.’ Clearly need more coffee...

you chose to only remain silent when you agreed with something? Yes, of course, very helpful.

Where did I say that? I said I didn't want to be argumentative when I didn't agree. I was repeatedly told to educate myself so I did just that. Kept quiet and read and tried to assimilate all posts even those I disagreed with. Now that's wrong too? Helpful? Yes I think it was. I think doing what was repeatedly asked of me - educate myself by reading and not derailing the thread with constant annoying questions, only stepping in when I saw bullying and aggression towards another poster, was helpful.

You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree with how we view my input on these threads I am afraid. I find agreeing to disagree quite easy, I hope you do too

This Thread has been created to stir up more racial tensions and hatred towards white people

I disagree. I think these threads have held up a large mirror. If you don't like what you see in it, reflect on that.

*With all due respect OP you have done this - e.g. ‘I don’t care for white answers’ which you said in thread 2, and in response to someone who asked when this will stop you said ‘when you stop killing our people’ - with ‘you’ referring to white people.
That's not labelling, though. That's using white people collectively. Generalising. Not labelling.
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But in response to the pp who called her out on this, don’t we NEED to look at whites as a whole - privilege and behaviour - if we are to change going forward? Yes it’s uncomfortable, because instinctively we want to say ‘not me!’ - but otherwise it wouldn’t really work.
That's true. I don't for a second think that all white people are racist. Of course they're not. But I'm generalising. Killing us. I'm not dead obviously. I'm generalising.

Well done I wonder what else you find easy to do in your day to day life? I humbly accept your offer to agree to disagree. Have a good day!

I can imagine some of the outrage I’m going to face but I am uncomfortable.

I am so tired of the term ‘white privilege’ being used as a defensive or offensive weapon. I also don’t care for ‘check your privilege’.

I understand that some will be hugely surprised and probably offended by that. Don’t get me wrong I am bloody painfully aware that it exists.

I think that by continually pressing the point that someone owes us because they’ve always had it better or can change things ‘for’ us because their voice is seemingly more worthy is insulting to both sides.

It is such a sweeping statement. And is deeply unfair to those who continually battle to help our communities move forward (as boots on the ground) to help effect change from the bottom. Because Lord knows it isn’t happening terribly quickly from the top.

Accentuating differences continually just ensures we can never truly be the same. And that isn’t right. It cannot be right.

We cannot sadly change the past. We can acknowledge it, really understand it, then move swiftly on and walk forward. But we cannot change it and by insisting on referring to the past All the time just serves to keep us there.

As such I cannot and will not accept violent protests in my name. White or black. You are letting me down. Clearly some are finding it acceptable. I do not.

Quite why missiles and fireworks that are being thrown at police and their horses will make for change is beyond me. We cannot fight hate with hate. It isn’t working.

I love the idea of peaceful protests. But the image from yesterday that is in my head is that the poor police and their animals faced the hate that we are protesting against. It isn’t right. I cannot accept it. I can’t condone it. I never will.

lily’s post really resonated with me. If we can’t move forward together we cannot move forward.

I’m cracking on a bit now and would love to see change in my lifetime. I’m not sure I will but I do hope. I will always hope.

As a very insignificant aside, I’m heartily tired of ‘whataboutery* as a phrase and as an insult. Or indeed just a virtuous ‘I can use it in this post - look at me!’

I will never stop thinking that everyone matters. Because I don’t see why I matter more. Has it been easy for me? No. But I hope I am kind enough and tolerant enough to understand that everyone has experiences that matter to them. For my life to matter then theirs should too.

@jagged - I have no problem with what I see in your metaphorical mirror.

@Dreep - what a truly moving and inspirational post. You speak so well and with love in your heart and not a speck of hate. It’s people like you who make a difference.