You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

Leaves a lot to be desired.

See? We all fuck up when we post.

But you shouldn't scold OP when you have trouble quoting her.

*Black Lives DO Matter!

However,*

NO. BLACK LIVES MATTER. END OF PARAGRAPH.

*You were called white trash in a bar once in 1995!! I’m so sorry, let’s fight this together!
*No. You were caller white trash, that's a shame. Imagine how we feel.

I don't experience the OP as being angry at me. She's angry at racism.
She's angry at posters repeatedly deflecting from the issue with what aboutery. She's angry that people advance their minor experiences of discrimination and suggest that these are of equivalent magnitude to her life experience.
She's not indiscriminately angry at all white people.
This is exactly right. I'm not angry at white people for being white. I'm angry at racist quite people for being racist.*

She's been very gracious and specifically thanked people who contributed to the thread and acknowledged they had learnt from it.*
Thank you (sheds tear)
I'm genuinely grateful and appreciative.

Just catching up

Acknowledging things you’ve done wrong isn’t self flagellating. It’s the right thing to do.

As a white person, being so invested in being right (as many on here are) is all part of trying to maintain power.

You see the same thing happen when you confront men about sexism; man gets all defensive - “not all men!” “Women commit sexual assault too” etc. Why is there such a blind spot with race? All that is being asked is to begin with reflection and acknowledgement yet some are too weak to do this.

Does white racism occur in other parts of the world where white skin colour and race is a minority?

Ygritte, your posting style also has a lot to be desired.

I think you should look at your own posts before you criticise OP.

I haven't criticised the OP's posting style once. What are you on about? I've responded to her assertion that she's being criticised for it because she's black.

But you shouldn't scold OP when you have trouble quoting her.

Where have I done this? I haven't. You seem to have got entirely the wrong end of the stick. Don't worry, we all make mistakes. Go and have a cup of coffee and wake up a bit

The more we hear from OP the more I question her motives. She doesn’t want a peaceful solution where we can end this together or unite. Her words “ Been there, done that” in response to my hope that we can work as a team show that. This Thread has been created to stir up more racial tensions and hatred towards white people. She makes constant excuses of being so tired etc but if this is “ your time” to stand up you should do it properly. Take the chance and make a great job of it . Some of the other posters seem to have done this far better than her. There are some really eloquent, clear and informative posters on here who have been really amazing in putting across their views. From them I have learned and I thank them.

*Feeling uncomfortable by the advantages your skin affords you isn’t my problem but it’s also not me calling you racist.
*
This.

I think you're 100% bang on @worzelsnurzel123.

I did discuss this earlier in the thread, and gave examples of how you can communicate a concept around the burden of racism without using ineffective language.
We've tried it. It hasn't worked.

Irish people experience racism in the UK. Very prevelant in the 60s.
How can you tell someone is Irish from their face alone?

*Okay well based on the constant, never ending lack of understanding across three threads, I propose an adjustment to the title:

"You're white, you haven't experienced racism to its fullest extent"

I believe that would be a lot harder to argue with, as being called a 'cracker' and being physically/mentally/sexually abused and overlooked over the course of your entire life are not in any way comparable.

HTH*
It speaks volumes that you think a change of words would stop my people being killed.

I don't drink coffee.

You said the OP's posting style has been confusing. How is it any different from yours exactly?

I don't agree with the Op. I also think that its wrong to label white people as the OP has done. I am entitled to my opinion.
In which way have I labelled white people as a whole?

@YgritteSnow - to look at your posts and the way they're written, they present themselves as well written and balanced, with an indication that you wish anybody reading your posts can see that you respect both sides of the argument.

The problem is, your posts are not balanced at all. You have repeatedly picked up on minor points that you disagree with and picked them apart until you are satisfied there is nothing left. I am struggling to find any regular posts from you that support some of the more powerful arguments across these threads.

Your tone throughout has suggested you have been smirking at the keyboard whilst writing quippy comments that you seem very proud of.

Therefore, anybody with an axe to grind who pops on to one of these threads will see your 'very nuanced' posts and instantly de-value the rest of the arguments. The ones written by those who care, who are actually sad and angry and need a voice every so often.

I don't understand therefore why you're here. You are literally not helping anybody.

No I observed that I had found the posts confusing at times, not criticised her. I don't care. It just took a bit of extra work to understand them, and separate quotes from her own opinion at times but not enough that I would complain about it and didn't.

You on the other hand have certainly criticised my posting style but I don't care enough to ask what's wrong with it. No one else has mentioned it, here or anywhere else on MN, so I will carry on posting on MN as I do and hope for the best

*Having read further through the thread I note that the OP has said she is autistic, this makes a lot of sense of her posts.

People with autism may struggle with flexibility of thought, empathy and/or theory of mind, they may also fixate on 'rules' as to how things should be.

I have no idea if any of these apply to the OP, note I have said they MAY apply to people with an autism diagnosis.

However if any of them do apply it makes a lot easier to understand why the OP has seemed to have trouble communicating her points effectively and why she has sometimes seemed to be talking at cross purposes with people.*
I mean this is true in a general sense and it does make up part of my bluntness but my lack of empathy about the I was called white trash kind of posts are due to oppression rather than autism.

@PatricksRum our people. I was clearly being facetious and followed that up with two very strongly worded posts. I sincerely don't understand how you quoted that entire post and couldn't see the anger in it.

I acknowledge that I experience white privilege and would go further into saying that I have never experienced racism, however I disagree that this is all the OP has been saying.
Good. Why do you think you haven't experienced racism?
*
She has claimed that white people never experience racism, and has gone further to say that Asian people also don't experience racism. I can't agree with this.*
Is that a joke? I never said that anf would never ever say Asians don't experience racism. Never ever ever.

These posts should continue. I am tired of racism, tired of the struggle, tired of the white ‘friends’ who see me as an acceptable token black friend simply because of my status/wealth/ career/white DH/delete as applicable.

I see right through you.

*You know, DS1 (almost 13) and I had a discussion this morning about white privilege. He wasn't defensive at all.

I showed him the clip from Grey's Anatomy. The one about "The Talk" and he was pretty moved by it.

One of the points he picked up involved my youngest DS who is autistic. We talked about how if he were ever in confronted by the police, in the same way, he wouldn't be able to follow the "script".

How would that play out if he were a black teenage boy?

That's part of my white privilege. I don't have the same worries as a black mother when I kiss my kids goodbye in the mornings (pre-pandemic, obviously).

I have worries of course but they are not the same and acknowledging this does not detract from them. It's just the bloody reality of things.*

It's moving to hear of your 12-year-old DS understanding white privilege and not being defensive. This is a such a great thing. I hope our children do better at understanding racism and those of them who are white do better at understanding their privilege.

*White folks who cite violence within BAME communities against one another, don't actually give a shit about those people, they're just trying to weaponise them. It's disingenuous bullshit that they pretend to care about to make a stupid argument to try and distract from the racism commited by white folks every day. It's very much like a five year old saying:

BUT MISS! THEY'RE DOING IT TOO WAAAAHH!

It's embarrassing.*

I think you are racist OP and are trying to cause a divide. It's blatantly obvious you do not like white people. Enough of these threads alreadyy
I'm not going to defend myself against such a silly remark. I'm just going to laugh.

to look at your posts and the way they're written, they present themselves as well written and balanced, with an indication that you wish anybody reading your posts can see that you respect both sides of the argument.

Thank you. If only you'd stopped there 😁

You have repeatedly picked up on minor points that you disagree with and picked them apart until you are satisfied there is nothing left.

Got any quotes?

Therefore, anybody with an axe to grind who pops on to one of these threads will see your 'very nuanced' posts and instantly de-value the rest of the arguments. The ones written by those who care, who are actually sad and angry and need a voice every so often.

I don't understand this. Are you saying I can influence anyone who "pops" on the threads to devalue everyone else's more genuine posts? I have mighty influence indeed! Also why have you posted "very nuanced" in quotes as though I said it. I have never claimed my posts to be such nor has anyone else.

I'm genuinely only still here because of how @dreep was ordered from the threads repeatedly. I'd have left the threads ages ago if not for that. I was shocked so few challenged it and it really made me question the motives of the OP. If you note there are large gaps between my posts too, where I read and tried to "educate myself" as instructed. But as the threads go on I just really question the motives of the OP and I don't believe they have good intentions. Don't worry I won't be around annoying you much today or "influencing" anyone who happens upon the thread, I usually try to have a social media free day at least once a week - once I have got out of bed that is!

Your tone throughout has suggested you have been smirking at the keyboard whilst writing quippy comments that you seem very proud of.

That made me laugh. I can barely remember what I post from one page to the next. I remember Dreep being ordered from the thread and others encouraged to ignore her though and I am very glad that MN deleted those posts.

You should be aware that the poster you are quoting in your post at 6:36 is black. This is Dreep that you've been so insulting to.
I'm aware.*

When she says 'our', my understanding is she is talking about the fact that you don't get to speak for all the black community, of which she is one.*
I'm not speaking for the entire community. I'm speaking for mudektbv*

It's disgraceful you can't even do other posters the courtesy of understanding their situation.*
I understand their situation. A white person's experience of prejudice, however, just isn't relevant.