You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

My bad, hooves, apologies. You quoted:

I have no issue with as an Asian I too experienced racism when xyz happened which is why I stand with BLM

And responded:
*
Is it really right to refer to people as as an X?*

I misread and thought you were saying that OP had referred to people as an X when she was saying "when xyz happened".

I agree. I'm not referring to the challenges. They're the least ridiculing. It's the posters that aren't challenging but attention seeking.

That's fair enough OP. I'm sorry that you have felt personally ridiculed or that people thought you were stupid.

That's not fair, I genuinely haven't seen this and definitely do not think that of you.

I do challenge how you've treated others. If you did one thing, addressing how you've behaved towards Dreep would be a good move.

When OP says she is afraid of being killed people are questioning her experience.

It reads to me as 'you are silly to feel that way. There's only1-2 deaths a year. Your feelings are disproportionate

But she's telling you this is how it feels
So maybe just listen and try to understand

When you see and hear about those deaths of people who look like you statistics are not at the front of your mind. You just feel a visceral reaction of fear. It could happen to me

When I hear reporting of rape cases sometimes I feel that way too.
I am triggered to think of experiences I had in the past, the way I felt. I start to worry about my daughter.

I spoke to my friend who is black and that is how she feels right now. Triggered by these news reports, bad experiences welling up, overwhelmingly anxiety, fears for her own safety and her teenage sons

Black people take steps to avoid confrontations with the police. They go out of their way to appease possible aggression. If they didn't do that would there be more deaths?

Isn't it enough to acknowledge that we have suffered, and continue to suffer, and ask that people treat us as people equal to them?

Yes @namechangegarden

Absolutely. I endorse this 💯

Namechange

The only point I'm making is that OP has created this thread 3 times now and been so nasty & hurtful to other people, unnecessarily.

(I don't mean me).

@PatricksRum

But I hope I'm not wrong to ask for clarity on why you feel that your life is in danger every day?

Read @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee post

Living in the UK doesn't mean I need to justify why my life is in danger.

I did read that post, and hence wrote a follow up post seconds later. I'm not sure what your second sentence means here.

Well 4-6,000 people turned out for the BLM protest local to me today. A huge proportion of those were white. To say white people as a whole are oppressing you and it is solely their responsibility to fix the mess is just ignorant.

Most of us want a level playing field and want to help you fight to get it, but why so aggressive? You say you are tired of being nice and calm but you didn't even try that approach on here. To everyone reading, this was your first attempt and you went it all guns blazing. You are capable of giving us your uncomfortable truth and criticism without making us all want to back off and not want to engage with such an important topic.

I will say, when you are used to the privileges you are born with, equality can feel like oppression and that can be a massive obstacle to overcome with a lot of people. It isn't your job personally to achieve that but everyone as a collective to educate and break down those barriers.

But one thing I will make clear is, the sexual abuse/exploitation and sustained attacks I went through as a teen were horrific and most definitely racially motivated. So I can't agree that white people absolutely cannot suffer due to skin colour.

Sorry, I'll slow down as I keep cross posting. I understand that you are angry, and I understand why.

As a white female police officer my dd experiences racism on some level most days, but is expected to just get on with it. She is also routinely accused of being racist if she has to arrest someone who isn’t white British. Being caught red handed while committing an offence as the reason why a person was arrested is still argued most of the time according to her and often comes back to her just being racist

They have assumptions that they are terrorists instead.

True.
I grew up in a Muslim household.
Imagine thinking you're stupid, aggressive and a terrorist. That's a lot to contend with.

I'm not ignorant. Prejudice is always wrong. It's just this thread isn't about racial prejudices towards travellers.

Then maybe don't make blanket statements that simply aren't true.

If you state that white people cannot suffer from racism then I think you have to accept that people will challenge you. If you don't want to be corrected why say it?

If you post about the racism that black people face I very much doubt anyone would argue with you, and if they did I would be challenging them.

But if you post an incorrect or inaccurate statement then I think you should be challenged.

I'm not even bothered about you posting about white British people, but there are specific communities of people, who happen to be white who do suffer considerable racism and persecution - the Travelling community, who are unwelcome practically everywhere, are repeatedly evicted and moved on, and the Jewish community who suffer ant semitism even within political parties. Orthodox Jews are easily identifiable too so you can't claim that their white skin disguises their identity.

You want white people to examine their prejudices and I absolutely agree with you. We all should. Sadly I think the worst offenders are least likely to do so but I think actually that you should examine your prejudice against people of other ethnicities.

@EarringsandLipstick
Kindly read the post again.
You were the one who said I pointed it out.

@EarringsandLipstick

Isn't it enough to acknowledge that we have suffered, and continue to suffer, and ask that people treat us as people equal to them?

Yes @namechangegarden

Absolutely. I endorse this 💯

But it's more than that. We need more than that.

I do acknowledge historic and current suffering of black people. It sickens me at times.

I do treat black people equally.

But to be an ally I need to do more than that. I need to help to end the systems that perpetuate this racism.

And yes very obviously I realise that Asian people are victims of racial prejudice and that bad but different racist stereotypes are applied to them eg that they are terrorists

I'm a mental health Dr. 80% of my colleagues are Asian. Did you really seriously think I might not have realised such a basic thing!

I just am not posting about it on this thread very deliberately because this thread is not about racism towards Asian people.

I can understand why @PatricksRum posts with using shortcuts sometimes, without fully explaining. She is tired (apologies for speaking for you OP), and quite frankly so am I.

Don't apologise. You're quite right. You can tell as the day has gone on my posts are becoming more tired, short, blunt. I will knock off soon anyway but you're exactly right.

@wokeupsmeltthecoffee

It seems we just have different outlooks. I do use statistics to reassure myself. I was honestly trying to help and to understand.

That's fair enough OP. I'm sorry that you have felt personally ridiculed or that people thought you were stupid.
Thank you.
I think it's an attempt to detail.*

That's not fair, I genuinely haven't seen this and definitely do not think that of you.

I do challenge how you've treated others. If you did one thing, addressing how you've behaved towards Dreep would be a good move.*
Respectively I won't be addressing that. I've decided not to engage, but she doesn't seem to have such a questionable intent as others do so who knows, maybe later on in the discussion I will engage but not right now.

It reads to me as 'you are silly to feel that way. There's only1-2 deaths a year. Your feelings are disproportionate
I read it that way too.

Someone suggested I could feel safer now they've posted statistics.

I'm being goaded to list my experiences for them then to be ridiculed. (This doesn't apply to everyone but the same people yoh mesmtioned.

The only point I'm making is that OP has created this thread 3 times now and been so nasty & hurtful to other people, unnecessarily.
Unnecessarily rude perhaps. Nasty, no.
As I said, think of the reason why.
Three days I've spent typing again and again and again to racist posters to try and convince them to save my life. Tiring doesn't even begin to explain this battle anymore.

Patrick I really applaud you for how well you've engaged with posters willing to learn and even those derailing the thread. I certainly couldn't do it as I am tired of engaging with people who just want to "debate".
Racism has been so pervasive in my life. Even though I spent most of my childhood in Africa, I knew from a young age that I would always be seen as lesser than a white person no matter my class or education. Christian Cooper, a harvard graduate, is simply an "African-American man" in the eyes of racists.
Hair is a very personal thing for me and I imagine most black women.
For years it was a way to erase my identity( straightening and relaxing it ) so reading the story about the white woman who perceived it as racism to be refused service in a black hair salon just highlighted the ignorance of the all lives matter brigade. For centuries and even now, mainstream salons do not do black hair (there are so many stories of black actresses and models having to do their own hair and make up) so we built our own salons and yet white people, who refused us, demand entry.
The hair issue, I believe represents white privilege and the issue with what white people generally perceive to be racism towards them. Black people who have been (and still are) excluded from white culture, carve out their own communities and cultures only to be condemned for not being inclusive of white people.

I did read that post, and hence wrote a follow up post seconds later. I'm not sure what your second sentence means here.
Why do you need clarity, then, when pp has explained that my life is more at risk because I'm black?

To say white people as a whole are oppressing you and it is solely their responsibility to fix the mess is just ignorant.
Please don't misquote me.
I said quite people not white people as a whole
I said it is your duty as a white privileged person to stand up to racism

We Travellers face systemic racism. It's fact. Please don't deny our suffering for your own gains.

I don't deny yours.

@qweryuiop Unfortunately a lot of people refuse to even start from the basic premise that Black people are equal to any others, hence we're whistling in the wind to expect any more than that.