You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

Anyone can experience a racist incident. I certainly did when I tried to fit in with a group of asian girls at secondary school as a white girl, however, that's not the same as systematic and institutional racism.

[quote worzelsnurzel123]@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

How do you think only black people are unable to “ hide” skin colour? Surely this applies to Asians too?[/quote]
It should do. I am white, but from a " foreign ethnic minority". Nobody can tell until I start talking. If I don't say anything they can't tell. Except if I'm on the phone. I assume people can't tell that you are black when you're on the phone OP?
But anyway, despite the title the OP only wants to talk about black people, so let's do that.

I've been ridiculed to say the least.

I don't see this, honestly. I accept you feel that.

I do see that people, including me have challenged your rudeness, personal insults (eg to Dreep), and your shutting down of other people's viewpoint & experience. That's not ridiculing you.

Is it really right to refer to people as as an X?
Fair point. Perhaps it isn't. I'm not sure. Apologies if the way I worded that offended anyone.

I've noticed you do this a lot op. You kept referring to whites yesterday. You've just said as an Asian that's like someone saying to you as a black. That's not right is it?
I have no problem with whites and blacks.

This is an incredibly emotive topic and all deaths at the hands of police officers are abhorrent. What happened to George Floyd is sickening and I do believe it happened due to systemic racism, but also specifically American issues of police brutality.

But in the UK 13 black people have been killed in police custody in the last 10 years.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/52890363
That's 13 too many, and is disproportionate to the number of people from other races killed in police custody.

This is not to say there isn't systemic racism in Britain and even within the UK police force (eg. Stop and search and arrest stats). But I hope I'm not wrong to ask for clarity on why you feel that your life is in danger every day?

A colleague I used to work with is black. He is also albino so his skin is white. He has definitely suffered racism both from the white community and black community.

Sorry, X post and I see you've explained this. Please don't feel you need to explain again. Maybe do take some reassurance from the figures I posted above though.

@EarringsandLipstick

Educate yourself perhaps.

I don’t have to. I don’t have white privilege and so have to live with the impacts of racism in real life, not find token poc to bully into sharing personal experiences so you can apply it to everyone of that race.

Google 'stereotypes about white people' then google 'stereotypes about black people'.

You'll find pages and pages when you google black people.

Every. Single. Day these are the stereotypes black people have to fight against. White people aren't fighting against stereotypes daily that lead to them dying?

Imagine every day, fighting against all of that? Because of racist beliefs.

And those racist beliefs are what caused officers of George Floyd to do what they did.

We have to work on dismantling these beliefs or else nothing is going to change for the next generation.

I'm glad MN hasn't taken this down, these conversations need to be had and white people need to feel uncomfortable about seeing their privilege checked.

Yes I may have experienced negative comments because I am a white woman, but as PP have said the structures in society are there to help me and do not work against me, the way they do black people.

My husband and I have been together 13 years (married for 3) and we have recently had one of the most open and honest conversations about race in the last few days and it was really eye opening, I always thought I had an idea of what it was like for him as we have spoken about it before, but this conversation really made me realise how bloody lucky I am as a white woman.

I've never forgotten when he was dropping me home one night, he was pulled over because his car was in an area it shouldn't have been (area in question is an affluent very very white area) police followed him virtually the entire way back to my parents and stopped him because the 'car was a long way from where it was registered and they wouldn't expect to see it in this area' .

I've been pulled over with him in the passenger seat before (saw him before me) as soon as they realised a white woman was driving the car they let us go, literally had no reason to pull me over, wasn't speeding, had my lights on etc.. the reason they gave was because I 'had a hoody on and they couldn't identify the driver'

As a mother to a mixed race child I constantly worry for his future and I want him to grow up in a world where it's what he can bring to the table or not, whether he is kind or not etc, is what he is judged on, not because of the colour of his skin. I know I need to do more to help him but I have literally no idea where to start.

Yes of course there are instances where white people have been discriminated against because of their colour and to ignore this would be unwise but that is not what matters at the moment and white people do not suffer under the effects of a system which is already against their success at every turn.

*Not letting this stand OP. You did

You clearly said that people from a certain community (Travellers) has the option to making specific changes to shield themselves from prejudice.*
Yes I did. They do. You just agreed with pp who stated this also.
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Although this sometimes possible, it isn't always.

And I pointed that out. Your ignorance of another community's struggle stood out. Somewhat ironic.*
I'm not ignorant. Prejudice is always wrong. It's just this thread isn't about racial prejudices towards travellers. It's shout racism towards blacks.
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I find it so frustrating that you say something, then argue a few posts later you didn't* 🤦🏻‍♀️
I didn't argue with what I said, I'm disagreeing with your interpretation of my intent.

Both.
I'm autistic and the way I talk is very blunt. I'm scared that if I challenge racism something bad may happen.
I'm scared that people may target me, especially when with dc's dad because they think I'm doing something wrong.
I'm scared every time dc's dad gets stopped and searched.

There's so many things to contend with

When I leave my house to go grocery shopping, for example, I make a point of showing my hands so I'm not accused of thieving.

That makes sense OP, and I can see what you mean. I'm genuinely sorry you feel so jaded.

I assume people can't tell that you are black when you're on the phone OP?

I disagree. I can tell whether a caller is white or black someone on TV before seeing their appearance.

I have googled but not found. Does anyone know the proportion of British black people that have slaves as ancestors? I thought most slaves owned by British people were not brought to Britain (?) But in the US I assume it's a higher proportion.

@MadgeMak

Is it really right to refer to people as as an X?

You are misreading what was said.

How so?

Op wrote As an Asian - if someone asked op a question and said as a black I would question that person too.

I see op has acknowledged this herself.

@GrumpyHoonMain

I don’t have to [educate myself]. I don’t have white privilege and so have to live with the impacts of racism in real life, not find token poc to bully into sharing personal experiences so you can apply it to everyone of that race.

(Part in [ ] was what I said to Grumpy)

I meant educate yourself (using what you told me to do) in relation to what I was saying, what way I was approaching OP, and why that represents a meaningful way to learn.

I didn't, obviously, mean educate yourself in relation to race, racism or prejudice.

You are so so reductive, and your post is really nasty.
I'm not bullying someone. I didn't treat anyone as a 'token POC' (oh, and OP doesn't like that term, as it's not about POC or BAME, in her opinion, only black people).

I invited OP to share her experience. On a post she created. She can decline.

Take a good look at yourself and your nasty thoughts.

I don't see this, honestly. I accept you feel that.
If you look at callmeadoctor's posts for a start *

I do see that people, including me have challenged your rudeness, personal insults (eg to Dreep), and your shutting down of other people's viewpoint & experience. That's not ridiculing you.*
I agree. I'm not referring to the challenges. They're the least ridiculing. It's the posters that aren't challenging but attention seeking.

@PatricksRum

I assume people can't tell that you are black when you're on the phone OP?

I disagree. I can tell whether a caller is white or black someone on TV before seeing their appearance.

Oh. How?

People do not have racist beliefs that Asians are stupid, powerful or aggressive

They have assumptions that they are terrorists instead.

@wokeupsmeltthecoffee

I do agree with you on the whole and think your last few posts have been excellent, but prejudice against Muslims is also a huge issue in this country (and presumably others) due to similar but different stereotypes. That isn't the purpose of the current conversation, but I do feel it needs to be said.

But I hope I'm not wrong to ask for clarity on why you feel that your life is in danger every day?

Read @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee post

Living in the UK doesn't mean I need to justify why my life is in danger.

Patricks

Although this sometimes possible, it isn't always.

And I pointed that out.

You. Did. Not.

I did.

You stated it as a fact. I told you, from my own knowledge, that it isn't, especially in many parts of Ireland.

Why do you tell lies so often here? Why not just re-read your posts & check?

A colleague I used to work with is black. He is also albino so his skin is white. He has definitely suffered racism both from the white community and black community.

Ah yes. This is a totally different ball game. I have no idea how difficult that must be and he has my sympathies.

@EarringsandLipstick I can understand why @PatricksRum posts with using shortcuts sometimes, without fully explaining. She is tired (apologies for speaking for you OP), and quite frankly so am I.

It is exhausting as a black person living in the West to continually have to explain the prejudice, racism and microaggressions we encounter simply because of our skin colour.

Nobody would ask a victim of domestic abuse to continually revisit her experiences so we can help her DP/DH not to inflict that on her again. It's traumatic, and a lot of Black people bury it because the emotional damage it does to the individual is immense. I know I personally haven't fully processed every instance of racism I have ever encountered, as if I did, I'd probably spend a year crying, then have a complete breakdown.

Isn't it enough to acknowledge that we have suffered, and continue to suffer, and ask that people treat us as people equal to them?

Sorry, X post and I see you've explained this. Please don't feel you need to explain again.
X post. Thank you

Maybe do take some reassurance from the figures I posted above though.
I wish I could.