You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

You may not wish to discuss other kinds of racism, but sadly many people are affected by it and they are trying to relate their experience of prejudice with yours and most will openly admit it's not the same. They are not trying to dismiss your feeling by saying they have experienced something similar they are trying to tell you they have some idea of how unfair it is. You're dismissing these people because this is about you. Do you really want a free exchange of ideas or do you want to howl with rage, I can understand your anger but people willing to engage you on this are not really the people who are causing this.

Please rest, spend time with people you love, take care of yourself and remember you do matter to us, we want to help.

You think a wheelchair user should explain how to make an office accessible when there's nothing but stairs?

Well, yes, because they will know what they specifically need. It would be great if every single building, bus, train was wheelchair friendly but they aren't. So, yes, I think it makes for a much more beneficial outcome if a wheelchair user collaborates in order to get the adjustments that they need.

grumpyhoonmain - you posted
@EarringsandLipstick - why not you use Google to research this yourself rather than asking a victim to explain her abuse. Thoughtless comments like yours really annoy me - it doesn’t take much effort for white people to research the impact of racism, instead many like to ask the token black / poc they know and then apply that to everyone of that race.

The op has posted mutiple times that she fears for her life and fears being murdered by a white person. It seems reasonable for earrings to ask about this as it seems to be a specific individual concern rather than a more systemic or structural issue. Black women are more likely to die in childbirth as a result of systemic racism, black men are more likely to be imprisoned for offences that white men receive non custodial sentences for. These are issue that I can goole and research. Why PatricksRum is fearful on a daily basis of being murdered by a white person solely based on her race is a question only she can answer.

Because the Travellers are an ethnically distinct population, they do 'look different'. Where I now work, I can tell by looking at someone, if they are from the Travelling community.

The above sounds subjective to me @EarringsandLipstick. You personally can tell if someone is from the Travelling community by a 'look'. Not everyone will do this analysis as soon as they see white skin, therefore those from the Travelling community will also benefit from white privilege, unless they identify themselves.

Do you understand that Black people carry an objective identifier which brings discrimination forth i.e. our skin colour? There is no hiding place for us, and that's why it's wrong to try and divert the focus of racism to those from the Travelling community, when the emphasis is currently on Black Lives Matter, because the world has explicitly been shown that at present, we don't.

*No problem with this OP.

But to what end? Your moment for what? Of course, ending racism, prejudice, murder of black people by those with power. Of course.

But you don't expand to discuss any elements of this.*
The end goal is to save lives. I don't understand what you are asking?*

You don't have to - but you started the threads, lash out at everyone, share no experiences or suggestions and refuse engage in discussion and debate.*
Not true. I may be rude, angry, blunt but I'm not lashing out at everyone trying to discuss. I'm sure you're aware a lot of posters don't wish to discuss. They just want the black woman to look stupid.*

What is this achieving?*
Well, it's opening some eyes, at least*

You've just answered 'tough' to me when I said I felt your suggestion of teaching me was patronising. Why is that an acceptable response to anyone?*
It's blunt. Abrasive even. But please understand why.

why not you use Google to research this yourself rather than asking a victim to explain her abuse. Thoughtless comments like yours really annoy me - it doesn’t take much effort for white people to research the impact of racism, instead many like to ask the token black / poc they know and then apply that to everyone of that race.

@GrumpyHoonMain

And posts like YOURS really annoy me.

I politely asked the poster, who has now started 3 threads on this topic, if she would like to share her experiences. Because she's here on the thread, saying she wants change.

If she doesn't want to, that's fine.

Another poster just did & I thanked her. As human beings, sharing experiences allows is develop, grow & learn, and is what happens on MN most of the time!

You are so insulting to think I'm incapable of reading & researching elsewhere. (& maybe I'm even able to challenge myself beyond a simple Google search!) and that I don't do so.

It's not mutually exclusive you know - I can read newspapers, watch reliable news sources, look at academic writing and also hear first-person experience in a forum like this.

I did not for example walk up to the OP in the street, catch hold of her and say tell me what has happened

She created three threads on a topic and I've invited her to (not demanded that she) share her own experiences, as others have chosen to do.

Educate yourself perhaps.

Do you think you could share your experiences of such situations? That's a genuine question. I honestly would like to know more about your experiences.
I don't think I should have to in order for me to ask the question.

I'll happily share some racism I've experienced (when I wake up)

That's a fair point @namechangegarden

I should have taken that on board. Thanks for picking me up on it.

(It still doesn't excuse OP's casual dismissal of prejudice against a group)

You may not wish to discuss other kinds of racism, but sadly many people are affected by it and they are trying to relate their experience of prejudice with yours and most will openly admit it's not the same.
Many a poster have done this without saying what about me
I have no issue with as an Asian I too experienced racism when xyz happened which is why I stand with BLM

Please tell me how I can prevent being killed for being black.

By whom? The police, white people on a daily basis? Not trying to be contentious, I'm genuinely interested to know why you constantly feel like your life is so at risk, constantly.

OP

I'm sure you're aware a lot of posters don't wish to discuss. They just want the black woman to look stupid.

I accept you might feel this but I honestly, genuinely have see no evidence that anyone on this thread wants this. I truly don't see anyone implying you are stupid or trying to make you out as such.

@PatricksRum

I feel uncomfortable about hearing that a group who also experiences prejudice and discrimination on the basis of their ethnicity, Romany and Travellers, can just somehow 'deculture' themselves, and that this means they don't experience racism. They can though. That's a fact. It's a horrible thought and they shouldn't have to do it. But it's a fact.*

That's a pov that goes in some very unpleasant directions, imo, and I suggest that simply acknowledging that this group experiences ethnic prejudice and moving on would be far less uncomfortable.*
On a thread on another matter, perhaps. But not this thread. Not now. Not today.
This is about us

Either it's the truth or it isn't. It can't be a lie on one thread and the truth on a different one.

@amusedtodeath1 posted to soon.
I dismiss posts that try to make the thread about them.
Any other thread, fine. I'll shut up. But let us have this one thing please? Please

Thank you for your kindness.

I may not like the truth of it, or the way it is presented. But OP has a point. OP is right, certainly here in the UK.

I've racked my brains and memory for all the examples of where I have experienced some level of racial prejudice, and they are 1) rare 2) based on individual prejudice 3) or where they cannot see me and have assumed I may be BAME based on a name, only to be visibly surprised when they hear me/ see me that I am white.

To equate any of my very limited experiences of racial prejudice with systemic racism faced by black people. With institions set up to favour me as a white person against BAME people is wrong. It's the race equivalent of Men Too, when the #metoo movement came out. Men describing one occasional of sexual harrasment/ unfavourable treatment based on sex compared to my 1000s.

Sometimes the truth is painful and uncomfortable, doesn't make it not true though.

I have no issue with as an Asian I too experienced racism when xyz happened which is why I stand with BLM

Is it really right to refer to people as as an X? I've noticed you do this a lot op. You kept referring to whites yesterday. You've just said as an Asian that's like someone saying to you as a black. That's not right is it?

The racism black people experience is worse than that which other minorities experience because

1. They cannot hide their skin colour and benefit from white privilege
2. They have a specific history of being transported and enslaved that other minorities do not that sets up entrenched power imbalances
3. The specific racist beliefs that people hold about black people are that they are stupid, very strong, aggressive and violent.

It is point 3 that causes OP to be at higher risk of being murdered than a whites person.

You only need to read some accounts to hear police officers (and vigilantes) trying to justify their actions based on such beliefs. They said of Joy Garner that they had to gag her with duct tape because she was so strong. One unarmed woman posed such a threat to a number of men with batons that they felt justified in murdering her.
If she had been white I do not believe that would have happened.

White people who are acting oddly because they are mentally ill can usually expect pity and sympathy. Black people, especially black men, who act oddly because they are mentally ill are at risk of being arrested, restrained and dying.
You try to find an example of that happening to a white person
(I've found 1 only)
It is hugely disproportionate and racist beliefs are the reason.

OP is justified in stating she is afraid of being killed. Statistically she is at higher risk.

It still doesn't excuse OP's casual dismissal of prejudice against a group)
I never once did this. I agreed. I said it was wrong. I just said it isn't relevant right now, on this thread, about black lives.

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee great post. You're exactly right.

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

How do you think only black people are unable to “ hide” skin colour? Surely this applies to Asians too?

Thanks @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

That is very clearly put. Point 3 re assumptions of strength / aggression makes, sadly, a lot of sense in terms of police brutality & attempts to 'justify' it.

Is it really right to refer to people as as an X?

You are misreading what was said.

By whom? The police, white people on a daily basis? Not trying to be contentious, I'm genuinely interested to know why you constantly feel like your life is so at risk, constantly.

Both.
I'm autistic and the way I talk is very blunt. I'm scared that if I challenge racism something bad may happen.
I'm scared that people may target me, especially when with dc's dad because they think I'm doing something wrong.
I'm scared every time dc's dad gets stopped and searched.

There's so many things to contend with

When I leave my house to go grocery shopping, for example, I make a point of showing my hands so I'm not accused of thieving.

I'm quite tired now so my responses are a little off key but just imagine having to consider everything. I guess I can relate it back to the wheelchair user. Before planning a journey they have to check accessibility. They have to make sure the bus is accessible, that the shop has sliding doors, that the restaurant door is wide enough.

I'm sure you're aware a lot of posters don't wish to discuss. They just want the black woman to look stupid.

I accept you might feel this but I honestly, genuinely have see no evidence that anyone on this thread wants this. I truly don't see anyone implying you are stupid or trying to make you out as such.*

Oh they have. I've been ridiculed to say the least.
The mere fact I have to consider if it's racially motivated shows you how oppressed we are.

Point 2 and 3 still do not apply to Asian people
They suffered colonial oppression but not slavery
People do not have racist beliefs that Asians are stupid, powerful or aggressive
Hence they do not die disproportionately

It still doesn't excuse OP's casual dismissal of prejudice against a group

I never once did this. I agreed. I said it was wrong. I just said it isn't relevant right now, on this thread, about black lives.

Not letting this stand OP. You did

You clearly said that people from a certain community (Travellers) has the option to making specific changes to shield themselves from prejudice.

Although this sometimes possible, it isn't always.

And I pointed that out. Your ignorance of another community's struggle stood out. Somewhat ironic.

I find it so frustrating that you say something, then argue a few posts later you didn't 🤦🏻‍♀️