To be upset over chlorinated chicken and considering leaving the uk

[Lovesgood]

I know a lot of people saw this coming. Its really upsetting how the uk is now beginning to bow down to our new masters. Im seriously considering to leave the country as chlorinated chicken will only be the beginning. They will completely ruin our farmers and foodstandards. And once theyve done that, who knows what else the US will demand, only for the UK to just roll over... Im quite sad over this actually. Any suggestions as to where to go? Whats Ireland like?

Just posted here for traffic.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

Also don't forget that for food safety tracing and tracking, an origin code must be shown on products.

British products will still say British beef, British chicken. The American shite just won't have an origin label.

Yes. Packed in Britain. Godalone knows where the contents come from.

I wonder if chlorinated chicken can be halal ?

@Lovesgood Just don't eat it then.

I've not bought battery farmed chicken for decades and don't buy chicken in ready meals as I am concerned over animal welfare and my own health.

There are plenty of farmers who will not lower their standards. It's not even been agreed UK farmers will follow the Us so not quite sure where your ideas come from other than an article in one paper.

It's not compulsory to eat that kind if chicken. Or any chicken. I buy 1 decently farmed chicken and we get 3 meals off it.

This is a drop in food standards and your politicians are in bed with the enemy. Thin edge of a very very large wedge.

Just so you know, I do live in the USA for the most part and lots of chicken is not chlorinated.

You look at the packet and select the chicken you would like to eat.

Maybe just go for organic non chlorinated non antibiotic chicken instead of leaving the country. Maybe even go to a butcher.

What do you think you get in restaurants and takeaways anyway!!

Also, OP that article talks about trade talks being opened, but there is no evidence whatsoever that Britain would accept US chciken or meat.
It's a wind-up article and you have taken it at face value.
Look at it again and read what it says.

@lLovegood Why not kick up a fuss about the whole meat industry where pigs are tethered in concrete pens and chickens in the UK are reared in huge numbers where they practise cannibalism, pecking each other or unable to stand up as growth promoters make their bodies too heavy for their legs?

I'd be more sympathetic to your post if you were aware of the quality of food you probably eat now.

Mass farming of poultry is a far greater issue in my mind than washing it in disinfectant once it's not longer alive.

Do you eat mass produced chicken now? Buy burgers? Chicken nuggets? Ready meals? Curries?

@jinglinghellsbells they wouldn't comment on whether it was still ruled out though, which is as good as saying they are planning it. The US have also asked for the country of origin to no longer be a requirement on packaging, so you'd be buying blind if they get their way.

I think there is a naive assumption that UK regulations will be bought into line with US regulations.

I'm suspecting that UK regulations will be made lower than US ones. Nothing anywhere has ever said that trade deals need to be symmetrical. After all the UK isn't getting a veto on US laws anytime soon. And UK firms won't be able to sue the US government in any court - secret or not.

So looking at how things are in the US now isn't necessarily a guide to how the UK regulations might work.

Also, OP that article talks about trade talks being opened,

What about the leaked negotiating document ?

You posters don’t actually have a clue about anything. You read an article and you believe every word because it validates your agenda.

@PixelatedLunchbox

I don't buy lamb that comes from New Zealand or Irish beef, and I won't be buying American chicken. These are choices we can make, and to suggest that we will only be able to choose America's cheap chicken is silly. I lived in Canada for a number of years, the "flat above the meth lab" that is the USA - I had no difficulty whatsoever avoiding their crappy products there either. Quit fretting about it. It doesn't actually matter what is on the shelves: you don't HAVE to buy anything you consider unhealthy - cigarettes, skin cream with parabens, sugar-laden cereals. Read your labels and make sesnsible choices.

Speaks the privilege to be able to afford to make these choices. When cheaper food means significantly poorer quality food, it will disproportionately affect low income households. This is what has already happened in the US. Where is the evidence that the UK government will protect UK citizens from it happening in the UK?

You posters don’t actually have a clue about anything. You read an article and you believe every word because it validates your agenda.

What did you make of the leaked documents ?

@Scotinengland76

You posters don’t actually have a clue about anything. You read an article and you believe every word because it validates your agenda.

What agenda is that?

[quote JinglingHellsBells]@lLovegood Why not kick up a fuss about the whole meat industry where pigs are tethered in concrete pens and chickens in the UK are reared in huge numbers where they practise cannibalism, pecking each other or unable to stand up as growth promoters make their bodies too heavy for their legs?

I'd be more sympathetic to your post if you were aware of the quality of food you probably eat now.

Mass farming of poultry is a far greater issue in my mind than washing it in disinfectant once it's not longer alive.

Do you eat mass produced chicken now? Buy burgers? Chicken nuggets? Ready meals? Curries?[/quote]
I think many us who are worried about this issue already take care about what meat we buy and what we eat from restuarants if we are lucky enough to be able to afford to make that choice. It's a bit patronising to assume that none of us are aware of the horrors of the meat industry.

Been so long since I went to a restaurant that I have forgotten how to spell the word!

No but going plant based would mean leave these poor animals the fuck alone- 'Or, more likely if they're not wanted, executed'

Id rather be executed than a life of utter hell with an even worse end.

To vegetarian.. problem solved..

Go* vegetarian

So glad my whole family are vegan and vegetarian.

It's just not potentially lower standards for meat though, is it? It's across the board. Nasties in peanut butter and tomato puree for example which might make them non vegetarian/vegan.

Well no going vegetarian won't solve anything (except that person consumption of meat) as it's not only meat that is going to be affected.

meat and animal welfare trigger the most discussion but that doesn't mean that loads of other food types including lots of vegetarian and vegan products won't be affected.

Have you read anything about it except from this thread?

The USA can PUSH all it likes to outlaw country of origin labelling, but it will not pass.

Country of origin labelling is an EU law...so actually would not the U.K. simply have to do nothing by 31 December and presto! No country of origin labelling required because Brexit is complete.

Nothing anywhere has ever said that trade deals need to be symmetrical.

Except that all free trade deals are, in fact, symmetrical and a free trade deal is what the U.K. and US are negotiating.

A free trade deal means no tariffs. The purpose of tariffs is to level the playing field when the two sides are not symmetrical in terms of industry production: government subsidies, labour laws, health &safety, environmental, immigration and other standards. So, in order to get a free trade deal, the countries agree on symmetrical standards for the production of the goods and services covered by the trade deal.

Except that all free trade deals are, in fact, symmetrical and a free trade deal is what the U.K. and US are negotiating.

Calling a turd a chocolate bar don't make it so. The UK won't get a veto on US trade deals, whereas the US will on future UK trade deals. Call it what you like, symmetrical, asymmetrical, or Gerald the friendly Gorilla. It still ain't a great day for the people of the UK.

There's also the rather convoluted way the US works. No matter what trade deal is agreed at a federal level, it doesn't place any obligations on any of the 50 states (or companies therein) to actually do business with the UK. So you won't find many (if any) UK companies bidding for - let alone winning - US state contracts. Whereas (naturally) US companies will continue to bid for (and expect to win, or they will sue) UK contracts at all levels.

But that's drifting away from mere food standards, which is what this thread was originally concerned with.

It's quite telling that currently we couldn't import any US chicken to give it a try, as it wouldn't be up to current regulations.

Those who say they can't afford the choice.. just don't eat meat. Vegetarianism is far cheaper than even the cheapest meat.

So glad we're vegetarian.