To be upset over chlorinated chicken and considering leaving the uk

[Lovesgood]

I know a lot of people saw this coming. Its really upsetting how the uk is now beginning to bow down to our new masters. Im seriously considering to leave the country as chlorinated chicken will only be the beginning. They will completely ruin our farmers and foodstandards. And once theyve done that, who knows what else the US will demand, only for the UK to just roll over... Im quite sad over this actually. Any suggestions as to where to go? Whats Ireland like?

Just posted here for traffic.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

Insane. It's so so easy to stop eating meat. I stopped , just like that, in my teens 33 yrs ago. Imagine moving because you want better dead flesh!

Its not just meat
It’ll affect the whole food chain

Insane. It's so so easy to stop eating meat. I stopped , just like that, in my teens 33 yrs ago. Imagine moving because you want better dead flesh!

I value bodily autonomy, if you please. I'll choose what does - and does not - go into my body. Same way I did when I was a vegetarian for 4 years in the 80s, and the same way I'll have a venison steak now when I please.

I'm not worried, I live on rice, lentils and vegetables
All completely organic and home knitted of course

All completely organic and home knitted of course

Nonsense. It's only homemade yoghurt you knit. Everything else is macramé.

America! Rah! The evil empire!

However, OP and Brits happy enough to eat KFC which uses chickens from.... China

If you buy cheap chicken, you get cheap chicken.

People can’t seem to get enough of junk food as long as it is cheap and tasty

Their choice

I don’t care about chlorinated chicken, I just won’t eat it (same as I don’t eat KFC or McD or takeaways with chicken or pork)

Anyone remember the days when Leave supporters where urging us to vote Leave because if we didn't we would have to sign up to the TTIP which would open up the UK to sub-standard American food and threaten the NHS?

Oh look what's happened.

Everything else is macrame
Goshdarnit😳you found me out🤭

brexit will bring us as a country so much more so i dont mind this tiny thing.

However, OP and Brits happy enough to eat KFC which uses chickens from.... China confused

Any food imported from anywhere in the world to EU countries (including the UK until the end of the transition period) has to meet EU food standards, regardless of where it comes from.

Food imported from the US under a new trading agreement will have to meet the standards that are agreed to under the terms of that agreement. The issue is that the US government are so much more powerful in drawing up this agreement (and subject to the lobbying of their vast agri-food industry) that we are likely to have to agree to the standards that their producers want rather than the standards that we currently use to import meat and other food as members of the EU.

Don't eat meat
www.agdaily.com/livestock/take-a-look-inside-one-of-the-nations-largest-cattle-feedlots/

Or drink milk
www.theguardian.com/world/2011/feb/13/super-dairy-cows-lincolnshire-objections
cows that never go outside

Or eat cheese

Let lone battery cage eggs

Cows and sheep and pigs and chickens should eat grass or grain
not GM soya
and live their whole lives in Lockdown

The EU does not allow it.
The UK soon will

This is about what we want the UK landscape and ecosystem to look like for our children and grandchildren

Can we not forget the horse meat scandal for a minute.

I’ll admit I’ve done nothing to research UK/US meat processing BUT the EU hasn’t been squeaky clean.. lets be honest.

Buy cheap meat from ANYWHERE and something has been compromised.

@DippyAvocado

However, OP and Brits happy enough to eat KFC which uses chickens from.... China confused

Any food imported from anywhere in the world to EU countries (including the UK until the end of the transition period) has to meet EU food standards, regardless of where it comes from.

Food imported from the US under a new trading agreement will have to meet the standards that are agreed to under the terms of that agreement. The issue is that the US government are so much more powerful in drawing up this agreement (and subject to the lobbying of their vast agri-food industry) that we are likely to have to agree to the standards that their producers want rather than the standards that we currently use to import meat and other food as members of the EU.

It's been at least a week since there's been an good, hysterical America bashing thread so this is way overdue.

According to this, the trade deal with the EU that is currently being negotiated by the UK is vastly larger than the potential deal with the US, so I don't know why people are assuming that the US can just dictate terms.

US-UK trade talks have begun – here’s what each side wants and what to expect

The US produces millions of pounds per year of organic chicken that you can choose to import if you wish. It's in every supermarket in the US. Having a less expensive offering provides choice. Some people with limited money for food might decide to take the "risk" in exchange for having more meat in their diet.

Yanbu. Hurrah, let's take back control and then hand it straight to the US! What a triumph for Britain.

We will end up capitulating on loads of points. This was always inevitable - huge economic US superpower vs well, little old us.

I won't leave the UK, I'd love to but have elderly mum to care for. Ironically, my mum is allergic to chicken!

Lower food standards are bad for UK farming, bad for the food chain and frankly I can't see how this is better than being in the EU.

August 2017 -

"Fifteen EU countries as well as Hong Kong and Switzerland have received eggs contaminated with the insecticide fipronil, the European Commission says."

"A row has erupted over how long Belgian and Dutch authorities have known about the contamination."

"Eggs, coming mainly from the Netherlands, have been found to contain fipronil, a substance used to kill lice and ticks on animals that is banned by the EU for use in the food industry."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-40896899#:~:text=Fifteen%20EU%20countries%20as%20well,blaming%20and%20shaming%22%20each%20other.

October 2018 -

"Under the European Commission’s indulgent eye, the race to the bottom in the EU’s pig industry pushes profits to the edge at the cost of pig welfare, against law and public opinion." ...

"the ongoing African Swine Fever outbreaks show that this whole industrial pig farming system is very vulnerable, especially if even basic biosecurity measures are not respected, as it incredibly appears to be the case in Europe."

"High concentrations of farms rearing hundreds or thousands of pigs in close proximity, as is the case in some areas of Germany, the Netherlands, and Belgium, are like bombs ready to explode when diseases such as this one, appear on the horizon."

www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/opinion/as-cruel-industrial-pig-farming-persists-in-the-eu-one-million-citizens-demand-change/

You’ll soon be consuming a lot worse legally

I shop at Waitrose.

MissConduct Undoubtedly there will be very high-quality produce that we can also import. That doesn't change the fact that in negotiating an agreement with the US that includes food products, we will be expected to adopt the existing US standards that are lower than those we currently have which opens the market to lower-quality produce.

Also, the US will largely be able to dictate terms to the UK because they are a much, much larger market. That won't be the same when they try to agree terms with the EU as the EU is the larger market.

From the article you linked:

The US team will also push for US products to be traded more freely in the UK market – hence, chlorinated chickens and other agricultural and food products produced according to US standards.

@DippyAvocado

From the article you linked:

The US team will also push for US products to be traded more freely in the UK market – hence, chlorinated chickens and other agricultural and food products produced according to US standards.

Quite right. There are also lots of things the UK wants and other things the US wants. So just say "no, that doesn't work for us" in classic MN fashion and offer something else in the negotiations, like lower import tariffs on US goods. The US can't force a deal or any particular negotiating points on the UK. Either side can walk out at any time if mutually agreeable terms can't be found.

There are so many other, larger markets for American meat that I can't believe this will be a deal breaker.

It's been at least a week since there's been an good, hysterical America bashing thread so this is way overdue. smile

There's another one active, Miss, about British involvement in the trade of African slaves to America when the latter was a British colony. Of course, they had nowt to do with it and it was none of their doing or fault and even if it were, no one should care anymore as it was in the past .

Dippy, the US is doing nothing wrong here, it's doing what its father and all capitalist nations do, sell stuff for what money they can get and try to get the most money and best terms for what they sell - that's trade for you. You can bitch and moan about how shit their food is, their product is, themselves are, but the fact remains that anything they sell here in the UK is done so with the full approval and agreement of OUR government. WE the British are doing this to ourselves, not some big bag nation invading our precious barriers with chlorinated chicken and forcing it down our throats. There's no William the Norman or German V-2s here, this is our government, our country which is leaving the EU as it's what was voted for by our own system of counting votes, making trade deals or setting up potential for them in light of this vote.

But it's much easier to kick back and blame someone else other than ourselves.

I haven't suggested anywhere that the US government is doing anything wrong. Of course it will look to its own interests. My beef is entirely with the UK government, especially as there have been assurances as recently as this year that there would be no lowering of standards.