To be upset over chlorinated chicken and considering leaving the uk

[Lovesgood]

I know a lot of people saw this coming. Its really upsetting how the uk is now beginning to bow down to our new masters. Im seriously considering to leave the country as chlorinated chicken will only be the beginning. They will completely ruin our farmers and foodstandards. And once theyve done that, who knows what else the US will demand, only for the UK to just roll over... Im quite sad over this actually. Any suggestions as to where to go? Whats Ireland like?

Just posted here for traffic.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-british-markets-us-trade-deal-trump-a9548431.html#gsc.tab=0

I'm still wondering why all this blame and vitriol towards the US. They can't do anything or sell anything here without the approval and agreement of our government, you know, that one that initiated that Brexit referendum, that was voted in, and that was voted in again last December, not even 6 months ago? What did people expect? Do they think in the event of no-deal Brexit, it's just going to be hope and glory? That this government won't also be pawns to the likes of Russia, India or China or pretty much anyone who'll trade with us or whomever will line their pockets? Beggars can't be choosers.

The US hasn't done anything wrong or even anything particularly vile or novel. Everything they learned about being imperialist, thieving, racist robber barons they learned from us. We were the best at it. Like father, like son. They are permitted to flog their wares here with the complete approval of our government, they couldn't do it otherwise, they're not invading and attacking, they don't need to (nor would they bother, we have nothing worth stealing)

In fact, they're currently doing more than we are, starting to protest and fight against their shitshow of a government. And that's risky because the Ferengi (another American creation) put it best: 'Peace is good for trade . . . except if you're an arms dealer!'

So why aren't we? Where is the blame and demonstrations against this regime, which was voted in!?

Epithets like 'I'm going to leave the country!' are laughable. Anyone is free to leave, there will be a hundred more to take your place, thousands are in Calais trying to do just that, and cross the US border as well.

Go for it! Try it. Ever done it? Hint: it sucks and is really hard if you don't have a lot of money.

WishingStar No dairy farm is cruelty free. A farmer will repeatedly fist them,shoving his arm in their anus to hold their cervix in place and impregnate them. They will then remove their calfs, and kill them for veal or they to join the cycle of being pregnant and having their babies removed until they are no longer productive. We will then slit her throat as she is no longer useful.

They don't give is milk. We take it from them.

Clavinova
I do not know who pays you to post,
but the titles of your two links prove my point

Wishingstarr
Farmers markets in the US are fab
did not see many in the North side of DC last time I looked
the free market gives choice to the affluent
and leaves the rest with the dregs.

The EU provenance rules allowed even the most frugal of shoppers to think about what they were buying.
The US trade negotiators have been utterly explicit that they want
farm source codes removed from food
I wonder why ??

ListeningQuietly
I do not know who pays you to post

Nobody pays me to post - I googled.

but the titles of your two links prove my point
In what way?

www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/07/15/imports-of-hormone-free-beef-eu-us-agreement-confirmed/

Clav
Hormone Free and US beef are a Venn diagram with less than 0.1% overlap
its the 99.9% that Rees Mogg thinks we need
that will utterly kill the UK beef industry
but you knew that already

ListeningQuietly
What you actually posted was;

"The EU has never signed a food trade deal with the USA"

They clearly have.

Disquited1. UK welfare standards for chickens are higher than those in the EU.

Does the UK really have higher welfare standards for chickens than in all 27 countries of the EU? If the UK haven't changed their standards, I presume the EU doesn't make member states adhere to low standards. Where did you get that information comparing the standards among the 28 countries?

Just asking as it doesn't state that in the article. I would be happy if the UK has high standards. Also happy if the EU member states have high standards. I only ever buy organic, preferably, or free range if organic not available.

There is a big difference between the quota of high quality control beef in the MoU between EU and US with what it looks like is being proposed for entry into the UK.

I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

ofwarren- I know you didn’t ask me, but I posted that it turns out I have indeed been feeding my kids chlorinated chicken for ten years. Had no idea. And given that it has had absolutely no effect on any of us, I’m a bit confused.
US poultry shouldn’t be anywhere near the UK. Full stop. But I don’t know that I can get too excited about the actual chlorine washing seeing as it hasn’t had any adverse effects. It would seem a bit frothy. In terms of the future, I might read a packet

I think the focus is misguided. No dead thing should travel that far before reaching a plate.

Clavinova
You link is to an MOU from 2019
Please link to the actual signed deal

Blackdog
But I don’t know that I can get too excited about the actual chlorine washing seeing as it hasn’t had any adverse effects
If you accept chlorine washing you accept the lack of standards that lead to it.
The EU does not
And Brits are about to realise that the EU protected them from that race to the bottom

To those saying that the quality of food in the US is terrible- I lived in the UK and now live in the US and can honestly say that I eat almost exactly the same quality of food here that I did in the UK. I still shop at Aldi and eat just as much fresh organic food as I ever did in the UK . The beef is actually better quality and more affordable. There is plenty of processed crap available but you don’t have to buy it . As far as chlorinated chicken goes, I would prefer to eat chlorinated chicken than get salmonella.

Anyone who buys those massive imported trays of chicken breasts is already part of the problem

Just. Don’t. Buy. It.

Meat is a luxury, one our grandparents had a few times a week. If you don’t like it, don’t eat it. Veggie is cheaper anyway. I say this as a happy carnivore that’s needs to eat less meat.

@Scatterlingsofafrica salmonella is rare in Europe because we vaccinate chickens. In the us they don’t, hence dodgy eggs that need kept in the fridge and chlorinated chicken meat.

OP, which country are you from?

Your lack of gerunds and other grammatical quirks suggest you might be German. Is that right?

Why are you pretending to be British?

Some of the sweeping statements about food in the US on here are ridiculous. Do the us produce some shite food, yep as does the UK and every other country in the world yep!. I'm in Canada & there are lots of imports from the US I've never heard of insects in chocolate, rat hair in noodles or maggots in orange juice. We visit Seattle, and other parts of Washington State frequently (not right now obviously) the food we've eaten has always been fresh, high quality & local. If you're that worried over Chicken you'd leave the country why not just be selective about what.you buy.

I can't see that welfare in some factory farms in the UK is any better than in the US to be honest. Those who could afford to buy free range would continue to do do, those who went for the cheaper option will probably go for even cheaper imports but it would be the factory farms who'd lose out, not the traditional ones. Any good chef in a small restaurant will be able to tell you where the meat comes from so you can decide whether it meets your standards or whether you'd prefer to go elsewhere.

This is not just about meat. Americans eat crap food, full of chemicals, GMO etc.
So what? They can eat what they want, I'll continue eating quality stuff. You're not being force fed, you do have a choice to shop elsewhere.

It would seem labelling is key. Then the customer has a choice. I think it’s quite insulting to say that even if you are in a budget you would chose foods you would regard as being harmful?

I do want information to be clearer and simple to understand .

Lots of ‘well don’t eat it if you don’t have to’ comments on here which I’m assuming totally misses the point of the OPs original comment. Please check your privilege. Not everybody can afford expensive restaurants, quality butchers and farm bought products.

Do we really want to live in a society where a large percentage of the population has no choice but to eat poor quality food? Widen the class divide yet again?
That’s without mentioning the instances where food is unlabelled or you won’t have a choice such as school dinners, fast food places etc

It would seem labelling is key

Which is why it is covered - carefully covered - in the draft terms posted. With great emphasis that it be as vague as possible. So no need to show country of origin, no need to list additives etc etc.

The agricultural bill is going through parliament right now. services.parliament.uk/Bills/2019-21/agriculture.html Has been for months so you can write to your MP, you can check their voting record on the bill on theyworkforyou.com. This is not just about chlorinated chicken but use of pesticides, environmental standards and animal welfare. The EU is proposing to have all gaming 25% Organic and something like 50% more sustainable farming but Britain doesn’t need to bother with any of that. It is already one of the most nature depleted countries in the world and the bill was a chance to do things differently but doesn’t look like we are taking it.

All farming - not gaming.

Yanbu to be upset. But I think Yabu to leave as a result. Anyone born before the mid nineties like myself (when chlorinated chicken was banned in the EU) has most likely eaten it. I've visited the States, so likely eaten it there. The EU scientists agree with the US that it's safe to consume. Do I want to consume poor quality chicken? No. Of course not. But the supermarket stuff that's pumped full of water isn't much better, DH and I hate it with a passion. Buy organic, free range, farm assured etc chicken, it might set you back £10 a bird, but the quality and flavour is significantly superior. You have options.

@DdraigGoch standards are significantly better in UK in terms of pesticides use and animal welfare. I thoroughly recommend the book Farmageddon which is very well researched and explains this well. It’s not about a US vs UK comparison and looks at unsustainable food production mainly but covers these topics too.