Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

[HoneysuckIejasmine]

It's wrong that your child doesn't have access to urgent treatment, and that cancer referrals aren't being done.

This must be regional, I have visited a specialist clinic twice in the last fortnight for an urgent health need - they are all still working. I'm still receiving correspondence about my son's various appointments.

Can you contact your MP to find out why that's not the case in your area?

Your opinion on covid is just offensive, however.

[LillianBland]

The reason we have ‘only’ had 40 000 deaths is because of lockdown. How many vulnerable (plus some who didn’t have underlying conditions) people should die to convince you that it isn’t a cold? I am aware that many are suffering financially, mentally and health wise, because of it, as my daughter and I are. I have the greatest sympathy and empathy with those suffering and have no doubt that treatment being postponed will have an horrendous impact on many.

However, your anger should be directed at the asses that have continued to cause the spread of Coronavirus, due to ignoring the lock down advice in the first place. The arseholes that think it’s ‘just a cold’, only affects the old and sick, ‘sure what harm will it do if I continue drinking with my mates in the park’, have big family parties, etc. They’re the reason we’re still in lockdown. They’re the reason my daughter and so many others have to wait for treatment.

Do you realise if the NHS has continued to threat people as usual, COVID19 could have rampaged through the hospitals and killed many of the people being treated for other illnesses. My neighbour caught it during keyhole surgery, which the surgeon stopped carrying out two days later. She had down everything in her power to protect herself from it, but caught it from the people you want to continue working. Is that the risk you wish to take for your daughter?

[highmarkingsnowbile]

YANBU

[attackedbycritters]

Rant alert

Why are people so keen to remove lockdown so ignorant of the suffering of everyone else ?

This is a complex balancing act, looking at the short term and long term needs across the whole population but it seems some people are incapable or refuse to accept the reality of that. Refuse to accept the effect of no lockdown to the NHS and the economy and the lives of many of their friends and relations.

[Thefrenchbaguette]

@SiaPR of course the main thing I care about is my baby. I'd burn the World to the ground if I could spare her any pain, she's my daughter, that's my job and I challenge any parent who wouldn't feel the same for their child! But actually I'm using my daughter's situation to highlight a bigger problem and specifically question why people suffering with Covid are more important than people suffering with other conditions? People are too busy telling me how horrible I am for not caring about Covid patients to recognise that they're doing exactly the same by not caring about patients of other conditions including life threatening ones like cancer.

[EmeraldShamrock]

www.thesun.ie/news/5504034/coronavirus-in-ireland-30-more-children-under-14-contract-covid-19-in-a-week-while-45-54s-most-likely-to-catch-virus/
Apologies for the sun link.
All the DC mixing since Easter.

[MagicKingdomDizzy]

OP I do have such sympathy with your predicament. My daughter has genetic conditions and all her therapy and upcoming surgeries have been cancelled until further notice. She is suffering right now and I can't do anything about it. I hope your daughter gets the treatment she needs and soon.

However, your 'bad cold' comment is awful. My mother is in ITU with Coronavirus at the moment and she feels like shes drowning just trying to draw breath. She's also alone and I haven't hugged her in 10 weeks. I may never hug her again.

If you want compassion you should show some.

[AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter]

I am guessing you didn't see Kate Garraway on GMB this morning

I did. She ALSO stated:

"I don't want to scare people, Derek's situation is extremely rare, some of the damage he's got, he's one of only five people they have seen it in"

Its devastating what has happened to Derek Draper but its also extremely rare and not the norm at all- "one of only five people they've seen it in".

[IWantT0BreakFree]

Not one person who has died with the virus (because let's not forget that they have never been able to differentiate from dying of and dying with) died because of a lack of access to treatment.

This is untrue.

It's very difficult to have sympathy for you when you are lacking in knowledge of the situation and empathy for others. I am sorry for your daughter, though, and I hope she gets the harness she needs.

I don't think I've seen anybody cheering on the continuation of delays to hospital procedures, diagnostic tests, or any other access to medical treatment. What I have seen is people who believe our lockdown started too late and is ending too soon (although it probably could be safely lifted now if we'd implemented it more strictly and sooner in the pandemic) with their concern firmly focused on social gatherings, events, non-essential shopping etc. IME you are misrepresenting the bulk of people who against the lifting of lockdown. If non-essential journeys/socialising/non-essential shopping etc were still disallowed, the NHS could more safely open up services like those that your daughter needs. If people going in to hospital for "routine" procedures etc have all been strictly social distancing and staying home, the risk in bringing them into hospital (in terms of spreading the virus to others) is far less than if they've been socialising, nipping to River Island and TK Maxx, all their kids have been back at school etc. The burden on the NHS remains lower and their capacity to treat non-COVID patients is higher.

You are picking your fight with the wrong people.

[TheExterminatingAngel]

OP, I don't agree with some of the wording, but I do agree with your essential point. I have chronic pain which is now not being dealt with. If it were one of my children who had pain in the way I do, it would be even worse.

[Alanna1]

Hi OP, I’m a lawyer. This isn’t my area and I’ve not read the whole thread but I think you should consult a healthcare lawyer - www.legal500.com/c/london/public-sector/healthcare/.
You may find a suitably worded letter helps you get an appointment or they may advise for suitable action. It may be suitable for expedition due to your 6 month window.

[DomDoesWotHeWants]

How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

I was understanding your point until that last line. Covid19 is not essentially a bad cold. Lying doesn't help your cause.

[BeijingBikini]

The "bad cold comment for 90%" is absolutely true, for the majority that's exactly what it is - 40% don't even have any symptoms. I agree, the stories I'm hearing of people waiting for NHS treatment for various conditions are terrifying.

[pointythings]

NHS services are starting up again - non-urgent ones, that is. Urgent and lifesaving ones never stopped. A friend of mine has had surgery and radiotherapy for breast cancer during lockdown. So no, the NHS is not the COVID19 service exclusively.

You are being very unreasonable, but it's understandable because your baby is suffering. However, we are currently looking at 40,000 deaths and that will end up much higher once we look at excess deaths. In addition people are being left with long term lung damage and disability. COVID-19 may only be serious for a small % of cases, but within our population, that means a very large number of actual people. If we act rashly, that actual number may well shoot up and overwhelm the NHS, and then there will be no chance of your baby getting treatment at all.

Nobody likes lockdown, but it's the lesser of all evils.

And your comments about people being secure and financially comfortable are just offensive.

[Chandler12]

I understand what you’re saying OP.

They ceased “non-urgent” medical treatment simply because they didn’t have sufficient PPE to protect clinicians. As such appts have been cancelled, and a lockdown rather hurriedly and last minute shoved in. We’re now in a situation where non-urgent healthcare is now becoming urgent for many.

As a PP said it is Russian roulette with who it hits badly. It’s not as simple as shielding the vulnerable - as much as we want that to be the case - and let everyone get back to normal. NHS are an employer and it’s they who will take the brunt of any mistakes that trickle down form lack of resources. It is a good thing they’re quiet just now, it’s better to have been seen to have done too much than too little. Had too little been done that’s where the problems arise.

The government need to sufficient protect workers and reintroduce healthcare as a priority. Economic arguments aside that’s substantially more important than social distancing pints (as much as pints are a high priority for me )

I’m hopeful this will be addressed in early course.

[TabbyMumz]

"But actually I'm using my daughter's situation to highlight a bigger problem and specifically question why people suffering with Covid are more important than people suffering with other conditions?"

Because you can die from covid and pass it on to several others who will also die. Your baby will not die from having a hip problem.

[Nonotthatdr]

I didn’t realise that Ddh ultrasound scans have been stopped - that’s truly shit and I can’t imagine why they feel the need to do that.

Is your DD in double nappies? Cloth nappies are bulkier so are great as well. Also lots of carrying in a sling frog leg style - the traditional African way of carrying babies has been shown to be a reason why there is less ddh in these populations compared to cultures that carry babies with legs together. All of the above are low risk interventions that wont harm your dd if She is shown not to have ddh later

[Aesopfable]

But since our daily death rate is as high as all of Europe put together

An increasing part of excess deaths are not Covid but other conditions that are not being treated.

I was reading about immunisations being put on hold in Africa for other deadly diseases due to Covid; it was suggested that this could lead to millions more deaths.

[EnlightenedOwl]

OP I agree with you but hysteria is winning atm. Xx

[Inkpaperstars]

I am very upset about the disruption to non covid healthcare, it has to be a huge priority. A bigger priority than, say, BBQs. If we can do everything in our power to keep levels down, the chances of vital health care being possible increase.

I can't kid myself though that once our outbreak got as bad as it did, the disruption was all caused by lockdown and not by the virus itself. I am worried about what planning is in place for resuming a more normal nhs provision as safely as possible, given transmission in hospital has been such an issue.

You sound under informed about the virus OP, it totally undermines your credibility.

[Moondust001]

[quote Thefrenchbaguette]@CrotchetyQuaver with respect, you clearly didn't need a ventilator did you. Not one person who has died with the virus (because let's not forget that they have never been able to differentiate from dying of and dying with) died because of a lack of access to treatment. The NHS is doing just fine in treating those that need it. And my point still stands! Most people who have the virus do not need hospitalisation and can self treat at home. So why should my daughter or any of the other thousands of people who are suffering indirectly do so because of that![/quote]
Actually a lot of people died because they had no access to treatment. Don't you ever watch the news? Care home residents were refused places in hospitals, and as a consequence the disease ripped through homes that had no facilities to treat or protect very vulnerable people.

It is tragic that your baby can't access the treatment she needs. It is tragic that other people can't access the treatment they need. Newsflash - you may not have noticed but there were impossibly long waiting lists for many treatments before Covid-19.

But congratulations - I wondered how long it would take after the clapping stopped to turn the "heroes" into villains. If you are angry about the fact that the NHS has no resources to treat people who need it - at any time of the year; and if you want to address the staff and resource shortages that lead to long waiting lists, then lay the blame where it lies - with the government. There's a thread somewhere on here from the Home Secretary - why don't you ask her about why people are waiting, sometimes years, for treatment?

[Nonotthatdr]

Also have you been back to the GP and asked them to contact orthopaedics at the hospital not imagining? Ortho may well treat without the need for a scan first

[Thefrenchbaguette]

@Alanna1 Thank you. I will look into that.

[CrowdedHouseinQuarantine]

Agree with the devastating impact on the vaccination programme in Africa,
it is world wide op.

[formerbabe]

Because you can die from covid and pass it on to several others who will also die. Your baby will not die from having a hip problem

And apparently prolonging the life of mostly incredibly elderly people is more important than the mental and physical health of children