Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

[30not13]

[quote Thefrenchbaguette]@CrotchetyQuaver with respect, you clearly didn't need a ventilator did you. Not one person who has died with the virus (because let's not forget that they have never been able to differentiate from dying of and dying with) died because of a lack of access to treatment. The NHS is doing just fine in treating those that need it. And my point still stands! Most people who have the virus do not need hospitalisation and can self treat at home. So why should my daughter or any of the other thousands of people who are suffering indirectly do so because of that![/quote]
So you didn't hear of the young nurse in her twenties who died at home alone as she was not deemed ill enough to be taken in for treatment?


It's awful that your dd isn't getting the treatment she needs but it's not top trumps here. She won't die from this. It is fixable still albeit with an operation.

[TabbyMumz]

Yes, I agree, people will die from not getting cancer screenings, but the numbers are lower than those dying of covid. And Gps are still referring people who find lumps etc, and they are getting check ups etc.

[CherryPavlova]

I think blame the government not those wanting lockdown to persist.

There is available facilities and staff to elective work but it’s being held up centrally. Many beds have been purchased from independent sector but they aren’t allowed to admit patients.

[ArnoldBee]

It's been said for quite sometime that there are concerns about other conditions not being dealt with.
Yes your daughter could have been dealt with but if you had died from Covid due to attending her appointment would it have been worth it?

[EmeraldShamrock]

To add I do understand your frustration it must be awful to see your DD suffer. You're right treatment for other issues can't be neglected, in Ireland stores are opening Monday though outpatients opened a few weeks ago. I brought DS for a consultation is was very safe.

[SiaPR]

of course the main thing I care about is my baby. I'd burn the World to the ground if I could spare her any pain, she's my daughter, that's my job and I challenge any parent who wouldn't feel the same for their child!
Which is why many people are wanting to continue lockdown; to care for their vulnerable family members including their children. They don’t care so much about yours though.

[Nonotthatdr]

@Thefrenchbaguette
Cloth nappies are great. The harness holds the legs in that wide open knees up position, basically get her knees up frog leg style as much as possible.

I’m v angry for you with the whole healthcare service. This should be a low risk priority scan, orthopaedics normally prioritise ddh like crazy As if treated in time it’s easy and no issues and if left it means kids don’t walk. and your GP should have told you more about management and ortho and physio should be able to do phone/video even if they can’t see in person. I’d get back on to the GP today and ask if they have spoken to the orthopaedic doctor.

There are parent support groups you can join which should go over helpful stuff. I hope you have also been told not to swaddle her at all?

[CatteStreet]

'Your baby will not die from having a hip problem.'

But her potentially needing complex surgery and/or suffering lifelong skeletal issues, developing complications such as scoliosis (perhaps leading to more surgery), etc. is fine, is it? How dare you?

I have first-hand experience of DDH treated late. The surgery worked miracles, and I am completely mobile and pain-free, but there are long-term effects - in my case, scoliosis and a lifelong need for orthotics.

OP, tbh I would be looking to involve a lawyer too. This is time-critical and a very, very young child.

You didn't do yourself any favours with the 'bad cold' comment, but I understand the frustration. I think is was probably necessary to postpone some treatments/procedures, but things have been postponed/cancelled that never, ever should have been.

[Inkpaperstars]

I don't understand who you are arguing against here OP. Who doesn't care about patients denied essential treatments or diagnostic investigations? Who has said these things must be shelved? Who has said that controlling the virus will hinder and not help the resumption of other health care?

I am really sorry and it probably is me as I am very tired, but I don't understand. I can see mistakes in not controlling the virus better earlier on, not making different provisions for some non covid care. I don't think it was inevitable we ended up where we are.

[Aesopfable]

OP lots of posters on here cannot see beyond Covid and are taking lockdown to extremes - not going outside for months. I would step away from this site it I were you.

[CatteStreet]

'It's awful that your dd isn't getting the treatment she needs but it's not top trumps here. She won't die from this. It is fixable still albeit with an operation.'

Read up on DDH and then pur yourself in the OP's position, please, before opining any further. As for the 'if you had died of Covid because of attending her appointment' comment, words fail me.

[LakieLady]

@HellloBambinos and @AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter, I think you're making harsh assumptions about how much those of WFH from our houses with gardens care about and feel for those who aren't so fortunate.

My frontline colleagues are doing their level best trying to support their MH clients through this, even though they can't meet with them face-to-face. The organisation has lost 4 clients to suicide since lockdown started, in normal times to lose one was an incredibly rare event. It's heartbreaking for everyone and I know that every worker involved in those cases, wondering if they could have done more, did they miss any warning signs etc.

WFH is not a cushy number for everyone. I'd go back to the office tomorrow if I could, just so I can be at my reasonably-adjusted workstation and not end up racked with pain after 2 days.

[bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg]

Lockdown is the restriction of people's movement and closure of clothes shops, pubs, etc. Hospital care reprioritisation is not part of lockdown. HTH.

All the people on this thread waiting for urgent referrals, chase those referrals.

[CHIRIBAYA]

"That is a horrible statement. It’s not an either or. And elderly people’s lives do matter"

But it IS an either or and that's a fact not a horrible statement; you clearly don't have any idea of the crisis with CAMHS? 18 months to wait to get into 'service' (while dealing with suicide attempts) then a further YEAR to wait for any interventions. I was told by a psychiatrist that she could have helped my daughter if she had the funding. Meanwhile, friend of FIL texting me to tell me his 90 year old mother (in a care home) is recovering well from her hip op. 10K a hip op on the NHS. No, it should most definitely NOT be an either or but children in this country count for nothing, absolutely diddly squat. Childrens lives simply do not matter. So yes, some of us mothers are very angry and if we do not speak up for our children who else is going to? Blame the right pepople? We are all part of the system.

[mamasiz]

I think your position is terrible and I feel for your daughter but you won’t receive much sympathy with such a crass comment about covid-19 essentially being a ‘bad cold’. I am in the third trimester with underlying health conditions and with a toddler that had to be shielded because when he does get a cold he always needs oxygen and nebuliser treatment. I think you know you’re not the only one suffering.

[HaveYouSeenMyBones]

It sounds like you are having a tough time with your baby and getting the help you both need.

My own experience regards non-Covid issues is different. Just yesterday morning I reported a lump in my breast to my GP who referred me to the breast clinic at a nearby hospital. They called me back to confirm the appointment within about three hours of my originally speaking to my GP - I was simply amazed by how quickly they were able to respond.

I suspect there may be different experiences/challenges in different parts of the country but I share here to illustrate it's not as simple as C-19 is a blanket blocker to treatment for anything else.

[CatteStreet]

'Yes, I agree, people will die from not getting cancer screenings, but the numbers are lower than those dying of covid.'

So that's just fine?

I do note the way the 'how dare anyone case about any health condition apart from Covid' lot are arguing, on the one hand, using very emotional individual (and rare) cases such as the nurse who tragically died, but, on the other, dismissing potential awful and painful deaths from missed cancers because the numbers 'aren't' as many as for Covid (which, considering how common cancer is in the population at large, may well end up being inaccurate).

[Tootsie321]

@AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter “I also believe some people are actively enjoying lockdown (eg rich, large house, massive garden, still getting paid for watching netflix etc) and want to punish everyone else because they like it.“

I agree some people are enjoying spending this time at home, however if you think that it is ”the rich’ people who are mostly enjoying it, remember wages have been capped at £2500 per month. This is a salary of £30k a year, therefore not exactly the average rich person salary, and certainly not enough to pay a mortgage on a large house with a massive garden in most parts of the country! I suspect many people, with this type of house, are worried sick about how they are going to pay the bills and are not actively enjoying lockdown!

[mumwon]

40,000people (actually much more than that) died but about 3 times that number have had long term treatment/needed hospitalization & need long time after care (according to stats)
I hate that people who have other health conditions haven't been able to have treatment - but -there are several reasons for this. The first is that most people who contracted it were in hospital for other things. Than a lot of staff contracted it Also they didn't know how bad it was going to get & even people who don't have "severe" illness could have long term & unpleasant side effects. & there wasn't enough ppe & still isn't (re dentists this am news)
Contact your gp again & push for treatment - ask if there is any availability in other areas - I do feel for your baby & others who have missed out on life changing life saving treatment because of their vulnerability - but difficult & unpleasant & tragic though this is there was a real reason for it - risk & potential numbers

[Inkpaperstars]

Thank you LangCleg for that clarity.

That is what I didn't get. Why the issues were being conflated in a way that doesn't seem to make sense.

[AnyFucker]

Hi op, I completely sympathise. I work in a similar area ordinarily but got redeployed to critical care to manage the emergency covid situation. My clinics were wrapped up with 48 hours notice with no choice in the matter. Please do not blame individual NHS staff.

It was needed at the time but now we are over the 1st peak it is essential that routine clinics are restarted and I am trying to do my best with a massive backlog.

Push, push, push for an appt and in the meantime have you got some support from the steps charity ?

[TheExterminatingAngel]

Yes, I agree, people will die from not getting cancer screenings, but the numbers are lower than those dying of covid

Well, that's alright, then.

[formerbabe]

No, it should most definitely NOT be an either or but children in this country count for nothing, absolutely diddly squat. Childrens lives simply do not matter. So yes, some of us mothers are very angry and if we do not speak up for our children who else is going to?

Couldn't agree more @CHIRIBAYA

47% of deaths in people aged 85+. Sad for families but no so tragic in the grand scheme of things that its worth the damage being done to children

[Nonotthatdr]

Covid is bloody serious but so is untested ddh. Op I apologise if I scare you more but Untreated ddh means the Child will not walk. Lifelong disability vs the minuscule risk to a three month old if they get covid means that this should be being treated on an indivisible risk basis.

On a population basis the long term cost to society and the healthcare system of having to support a permeantly disabled child/adult vs a low risk fast intervention that could majority be done by video link using staff that aren’t exactly vital to the covid response (paediatric orthopaedic surgeons aren’t key to treating covid) is a no brainier.

Not that it helps your dd now but if she is left permanently disabled by this please sue (yes I do work for the nhs but this is shocking)

[Shiraznowplease]

I know several people who have died of COVID but no one who has died of a cold, whilst I am sorry for your daughter’s situation I think that you, at least appear to be, hugely insensitive and are unable to see the wider picture of loss and suffering beyond your own four walls.