You're white you haven't experienced racism 2 *title amended by MNHQ at OP's request*

[PatricksRum]

I started a thread in the early hours.

I fell asleep
I've checked the thread and it's full.

Whilst the thread sadly proves my OP, there were a lot of great posts and understanding by some MNers.

I think this discussion is so important and I'd like to continue.

These photos sum up the ridiculous responses.

Do not tell me I am doing my oppressed race a disservice
Your racial prejudice faced as a white person do not trump the daily racism and fear for our lives

Finally, if your response to this is to explain your tiny grievances of racial prejudices you've faced then you are wholly part of the problem.

The racist behaviours and thoughts by your people is the problem. It is your duty to understand and tackle it. I repeat, it is not the duty of black people to educate you.

I doubt Mumsnet will do anything as they will be too terrified of any backlash.

Sadly, I think you're probably right.

However, there are some countries that see white women as trash

Misogyny. They see all women as trash

Exactly, OP. I keep saying this, but no one listens. Those men were abusing their own female family members, through forced marriages and so-called 'honour killings'.

Sadly, they don't listen, because they won't accept that white people don't experience racism. I really don't get why at all.

I'm so sorry, OP.

@YgritteSnow

I've reported the post where OP has asked others not to engage with *@Dreep*. This is out and out bullying of a person because they will not be forced to change their opinion. They too are a BAME person and I genuinely staggered that they are being ordered to leave a discussion on racism and others are being encouraged to ignore and other that person by the OP and that no one else is challenging this.

I'm.challenging it.

It's disgusting the way other BAME people bare being treated on this thread.

Why is it so upsetting for some posters to just focus on black people’s specific hardships just for one thread?! It’s one thread! Do they not even deserve this?

Yes these people suffer discrimination in their own right but it's not the same as the racism black people suffer and it's offensive to bring it up right now

The OP has specifically invited white people onto the thread to discuss their experiences of racism. Which she believes doesn't exist, but that's not the point she invited answers by "AIBU"

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

Zebra all your posts come across as 'what aboutery'

What about disabled people
What about Jewish people
What about Asian people

Flax meadow wants to add what about poor white people

Yes these people suffer discrimination in their own right but it's not the same as the racism black people suffer and it's offensive to bring it up right now. The only thing I can compare it to is when there is a discussion about rape and sexual violence against women and some idiot always has to say 'gay men get raped too'. That makes me so angry. It's true but its nowhere near the same magnitude of problem and it's just a way to deflect from the discussion about women.

BAME is shorthand and it's helpful in some contexts as some experiences are shared but by no means all. Black people have a specific history of being enslaved and transported en masse that Asian people don't although they did suffer colonial oppression.

Racist stereotypes about black men are that they are aggressive and violent and this directly leads to their deaths at the hands of law enforcement because a disproportionate level of violence is felt justified. There are other stereotypes about Asian men but not this specific one.

I just looked up the UK stats and it is only black people and NOT Asian or other minority ethnic people who are disproportionately dying in police custody. For other ethnicities the death rate reflects the population.

So right now this specific issue of police brutality is about black people and not about anyone else.

The statistics show that in the last ten years 13 black men died in custody.

140 white men died in the same period.

White men were 25% more likely to die, adjusted for the total numbers in custody.

Excellent. Let's all report the OP and hopefully she will be banned and her thread will be deleted.

A black person talking about racism should definitely shut up as I don't want to hear it myself.

PS that's sarcasm for the people here who actually are trying to achieve this. I wouldn't say it myself as I'm not a massive self centred intolerant arse.

I don't think @Dreep is in anyway filling up the thread with nonsense, OP. Her posts are measured and she has stayed calm & polite as you continue to tell her to leave & now that other posters shouldn't engage with her posts 😳😳

I think it's outrageous that you can keep being so insulting OP. I left the thread in terms of posting due to your aggressive posts & refusal to engage while berating others, but kept reading. There was a period yesterday evening when OP was away from the thread and there was some excellent exchanges which I found very informative.

One poster (I'm sorry I can't remember the name) posted links and other information which was much appreciated.

Hooves I think you've written very clearly too, and got some very unkind replies. 💐

AIBU invites debate.

If OP wanted to exclude white people she should have said so. By mentioning that in the title it did invite all to respond. Not just white. Not just black. You responded. As did I.
Both our opinions are valid. But by the OP’s post she didn’t want your answer because you are white. And that is wrong.

And apparently black answers are ok but not mine. That is wrong too

^^This.

Well put @Dreep 👏

I'm sorry.

A black person talking about racism should definitely shut up as I don't want to hear it myself.

No black people should not shut up. Of course not, but the thread is about whether or not white people suffer racism

@Smilethoyourheartisbreaking

I see you usual gunfight has started. The thing is. If there weren't any racists posting . It wouldn't be a fight would it?

@MNHQ please address the racism on MN. Enough is enough and if not now when?

So is op not being racist by telling other posters to not engage with a poster who is Asian? She's not being racist for demanding that she leave the thread?

How is that not racist?

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee well said at 11.56

Ethnic minority groups in Western societies do all face discrimination, but different and of varying degrees. It's reasonable and understandable to want to highlight one specific type of racism, without everyone piling on with their own experiences (some very invalid experiences )

I've experienced racism growing up as a non- white in the UK, I would say that I understand racism, but again it's different to the type of racism my black friends have endured. I definitely feel a sense of solidarity with other ethnic minorities in the UK, whilst acknowledging that our experiences of racism have not been the same.

It is upsetting because some people came on here to speak of their bad experiences and were belittled.

The thread title was wrong if it were to be purely about BLM and some have said goady.

But to then expect our experiences only to be listened to Is not what this thread purported to be about. It was not clear.

Also can I expect people not to belittle my experiences when people are getting theirs belittled.

At the minute BLM - but everyone else matters just as much. I will not dismiss anyone for their colour. Ever.

Because I know how that feels.

Apologies @Hearhoovesthinkzebras. I didn't see your post when I posted.

@YgritteSnow

I've reported the post where OP has asked others not to engage with @Dreep. This is out and out bullying of a person because they will not be forced to change their opinion. They too are a BAME person and I genuinely staggered that they are being ordered to leave a discussion on racism and others are being encouraged to ignore and other that person by the OP and that no one else is challenging this.

You are 💯 correct.
I posted my reply, saying something similar, before I'd read yours.

It's appalling that Dreep is being treated like this. Her measure & calm responses are extraordinary. 👏

The statistics show that in the last ten years 13 black men died in custody.

140 white men died in the same period.

White men were 25% more likely to die, adjusted for the total numbers in custody

Thank you hooves

A black person talking about racism should definitely shut up as I don't want to hear it myself.

Like @Dreep has been told to repeatedly?

@PatricksRum yes, I know people have come on here to thank you for the thread. I was one of those people. I ‘listened clearly’ for a thread and a half before making one comment. And I said I was behind BLM. And I said ‘thank you.’

You’re right, I don’t know what will work. I’m just suggesting that perhaps people are less likely to listen if you say you don’t want white people to answer. Just my opinion.

That depends how you cut it doesn't it?
Why were disproportionate numbers of black people in police custody?

The figures I saw from Gov.uk were that 8% of deaths in custody were black people vs 3% UK population and a black person is 2x as likely to die in police custody as any other ethnicity

This was acknowledged by the government in the Angiolini report in 2017.

I just don't know how you can deny this?

Sean Rigg, Mikey Powell, Seni Lewis, Kingsley Burrell, Rocky Bennet the list goes on and on.

Many of them were mentally ill and had committed no crime. I have an interest because I am a mental health Dr. The report of what happened to Kingsley Burrell will make you weep. He was suffocated and beaten by police in a mental health hospital as was Seni Lewis.

This is a real problem. How can you deny it?

I am not trying to get OP banned or deleted.

It is a pity that courtesy is not extended to me.

We are on the same side. I just refuse to exclude people.