You're white you haven't experienced racism 2 *title amended by MNHQ at OP's request*

[PatricksRum]

I started a thread in the early hours.

I fell asleep
I've checked the thread and it's full.

Whilst the thread sadly proves my OP, there were a lot of great posts and understanding by some MNers.

I think this discussion is so important and I'd like to continue.

These photos sum up the ridiculous responses.

Do not tell me I am doing my oppressed race a disservice
Your racial prejudice faced as a white person do not trump the daily racism and fear for our lives

Finally, if your response to this is to explain your tiny grievances of racial prejudices you've faced then you are wholly part of the problem.

The racist behaviours and thoughts by your people is the problem. It is your duty to understand and tackle it. I repeat, it is not the duty of black people to educate you.

This thread is a tough read but it's important

I love Mumsnet for hosting important discussions like these. I think it's important that it's a largely female space. I learnt about feminism through Mumsnet too.

Exhausting is exactly the word. Imagine being gaslighted whenever you suggest your race could be a reason for your mistreatment which is commonly what happens whenever I suggest racism to a white person. Im not saying all white people, before anyone starts.

I said to an acquaintance that you are 50% more likely to go to Oxford University if you are white rather than black.
Her response? It must be because they're more intelligent

@PatricksRum

Literally no idea what you are talking about.

That's all you have to say?
Unbelievable.

You asked to be educated
I do it and you don't listen

I don't do it and you abuse me.

You're not here to learn but to remind me that you're above me and I'll never be heard.

You wrote a long post about people in wheelchairs who were 50% of the workforce who couldn't get another job anywhere else over ten years or something. I'm sorry. I couldn't understand it.

That isn't abuse. That isn't you educating me. It was a riddle. I have no idea what you were trying to say.

I have autonomic dysfunction. It affects cognitive ability.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
What, exactly, do you not understand?

your teaching of racism? Ok. So you are the chosen one?

I know who I am.

And o am far from naive.

You really don’t.

And take note? He wasn’t inflammatory and hateful.

Toodlepip.

@Dreep Yeah bye.
You keep coming back and stick your two pence worth in trying to detail.
I think I know why too.

PatricksRum

Any of your post about 500 steps, at such and such an angle, with so many employees, 50% disabled, working for ten years...

What am I meant to be doing with that? All I can see is a wall of numbers and words.

@Dreep Please leave my thread.

You haven’t said the ‘why’.

And I can stay thanks. You cannot tell me to leave just because you object to my point of view.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
50% of the workforce are in a wheelchair
Every day for 10 years they have been unable to access the office.
After 10 years of explaining, the boss asks, what do you want me to do?

@Dreep I'm reporting you to MNHQ.
You're being purposefully inflammatory. I asked you to leave.

So do I hooves and I understood her post perfectly well.

She means - you can’t tell the oppressed to fix the system.

You can’t tell disabled people to rebuild their workplace. You can’t tell an oppressed minority to change a whole country’s system of oppression.

But I’m starting to think you’re perfectly aware of that. I’ve tried to relate examples to your own life to trigger that empathy and.. it hasn’t really worked. I won’t be replying to your posts as frankly this thread is full of your posts when it could be full of something more useful.

But I do wish you well with your disability. I know how horrible it can be. Wishing you good physio and good pain relief.

OP. What exactly do you think you have achieved with these 2 threads, other than to vent and pick fights? I don't know why anyone gives you the oxygen. Am going to ditch this vile thread.

[quote PatricksRum]@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
50% of the workforce are in a wheelchair
Every day for 10 years they have been unable to access the office.
After 10 years of explaining, the boss asks, what do you want me to do?[/quote]
I'm sorry, I still don't understand your point.

Why would they wait ten years and not be able to go to work?

Why aren't there lifts?

Disability legislation would prevent this.

I'm sorry, I have no clue what my response is meant to be at all.

I said to an acquaintance that you are 50% more likely to go to Oxford University if you are white rather than black.
Her response? It must be because they're more intelligent

Yes, this is an example of the dismissal about the existence of racism that is usually from white people that many black people are fed up with.

And it has to take the filming of a white man kneeling on a black man for 9 minutes for people to see what's going on. Why did it have to get to this point?

Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery the list goes on and on.

I’m not. I have a different opinion as to why candy’s Facebook post said it better.

Quietly understated. There is nothing wrong with my post. And that video is amazing.

You said I think I know why too
And yet you will not tell me what you mean.

Now that could be inflammatory if you are about to accuse me of something I cannot be.

I am simply saying you catch more bees with honey.

@P999

OP. What exactly do you think you have achieved with these 2 threads, other than to vent and pick fights? I don't know why anyone gives you the oxygen. Am going to ditch this vile thread.

Shame that you’ve missed the posts of people saying thank you to the op and how eye opening and enlightening the thread has been. Seems to easy get lost in the same few posters arguing... 🧐

But I’m starting to think you’re perfectly aware of that.

Sorry, I had literally no clue.

I thought I was meant to be able to figure out a solution. Why did she just not say that?

A disabled person wouldn't be expected to rebuild a workplace so why would my mind go there?

And honestly, we might have a similar disability but doesn't mean it affects us both the same does it? The fact you wish me well with good physio and pain relief kind of proves the point.

If you want to report everyone who disagrees or cast shade about white privilege or superiority (even though that cannot apply to me) do so. But we all get to have an opinion.

Why would they wait ten years and not be able to go to work?

Why aren't there lifts?

Disability legislation would prevent this.

I'm sorry, I have no clue what my response is meant to be at all.

It was a metaphor.

As in black people have been complaining for decades and white people still seem oblivious and refuse to do anything about racism.

As you said, this wouldn't happen with disabled now. Well, it still does to some extent.
But many people still object to lifts for black people

(And for women, btw)

*Why would they wait ten years and not be able to go to work?

Why aren't there lifts?*

EXACTLY.

Why has it taken hundreds of years and we still can't live?

Just in case

What do I think the 50% wheelchair users should do?

Tell the boss to build a lift or move the office

The boss can then reply 1. I’m not doing that for you - boss is a racist (sorry disabilist) and an arse

Or

1. Boss goes “I hadn’t thought of that” builds a lift/moves office and issue solved

Clearly it’s obvious in this example but in real life as I as a white women cannot understand the oppression black women face maybe I can’t see what’s right there in front of me - that we need to build a lift/move the office.

I don’t know what to do to help reduce racism in my life beyond what doing and that’s not good enough. It may be very obvious to black women what I need to do (I’m saying may be because I don’t know if it is or not) so if they could tell me I’d like to do it.

(I have adhd, I kept on getting in trouble at work because I forget to do some stuff. I knew having a list stuck to the door would help like it did at home but I wasn’t able to stick things to the work door. I was angry that my boss wasn’t making allowances for me forgetting stuff. She felt that she shouldn’t have to deal with loads of issues from me just because I had adhd. I hadn’t actually told her about wanting a list on the door because I thought it was obvious. When we had an argument and she finally asked “so how do you remember x y and z when you leave home then”, i shouted back “it’s written on the fking door” she said “bloody do that here then”. I still have the job, checklists all over the walls of my room and were good. - not saying solving entrenched racism is going to be this easy but she just didn’t know and I thought it was so obvious what I needed and why do I continue to have to explain what adhd is to NT folks when I’m the one with then brain that dosent work properly.....)

We still can’t live.

We still aren’t allowed opinions either.