You're white you haven't experienced racism 2 *title amended by MNHQ at OP's request*

[PatricksRum]

I started a thread in the early hours.

I fell asleep
I've checked the thread and it's full.

Whilst the thread sadly proves my OP, there were a lot of great posts and understanding by some MNers.

I think this discussion is so important and I'd like to continue.

These photos sum up the ridiculous responses.

Do not tell me I am doing my oppressed race a disservice
Your racial prejudice faced as a white person do not trump the daily racism and fear for our lives

Finally, if your response to this is to explain your tiny grievances of racial prejudices you've faced then you are wholly part of the problem.

The racist behaviours and thoughts by your people is the problem. It is your duty to understand and tackle it. I repeat, it is not the duty of black people to educate you.

I'll stand against racism.

Great. I hope you'll stand up with BLM.

Great. I hope you'll stand up with BLM.

In practice, I'm not clear what that means - I looked at the BLM website, and it has the bit of the feeling of Amnesty International - I remember my Amnesty International Group writing a letter to Bill Clinton in 1999 asking him to abolish the death penalty.

@BlackKite

Great. I hope you'll stand up with BLM.

In practice, I'm not clear what that means - I looked at the BLM website, and it has the bit of the feeling of Amnesty International - I remember my Amnesty International Group writing a letter to Bill Clinton in 1999 asking him to abolish the death penalty.

Exactly.

Just change the title, then the focus will be about what black people are experiencing not about white peoples experiences which detracts from the whole point. You won't get a load of white people arguing back since they won't be the focus of the title anymore. If it's not about them, don't make it about them by focusing on them.

You're not clear what it means to stand with the black lives matter movement?

@PatricksRum

They are not the focus, black people are, make it about them!. Really? I wasn't aware.

That's the kind of pickyness I was talking about earlier. I think you know what the poster meant

Just change the title, then the focus will be about what black people are experiencing not about white peoples experiences which detracts from the whole point. You won't get a load of white people arguing back since they won't be the focus of the title anymore. If it's not about them, don't make it about them by focusing on them.
No.

@Abbccc I asked you to point out where I've been picky about words. You're yet to respond.

Yeah, this is going to win lots of hearts and minds. For sure. Totally.

Where and heightened risk when compared to who? In the UK white men have a 25% greater risk of dying in custody. In the past ten years 140 white people died and 13 black people.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
How do you calculate 25%? White people make up 86% of the population and 85% of custody deaths, but black people only make up 3% of the population yet they are 8% of the custody deaths.

Yeah, this is going to win lots of hearts and minds. For sure. Totally.
What will?

Sorry not to quote everyone but I wanted to clear up the confusion regarding black deaths in custody.

So I'm going to use the current Covid pandemic and numbers to make this point.

So you can look at covid deaths two ways, the volume of actual deaths, or deaths per 1million population. Now, if you take number of deaths, we are not too dog, but if you take number of deaths per million population we are at the top along with Sweden and Belgium who have less actual deaths but a higher percentage of deaths per 1million population.

So it depends how you look at the data. In one statistical analysis black men are twice as likely to die when compared to population average.

But if you look at the numbers, more white people are arrested because the population is 86% white, then yes more white men die in custody.

Same numbers, different outcomes.

So it depends how you look at the data. In one statistical analysis black men are twice as likely to die when compared to population average.

But if you look at the numbers, more white people are arrested because the population is 86% white, then yes more white men die in custody.

There's a third way to look at the data - with statistics it's often about the number on the bottom. More Black men are arrested as a rate than white men. Once a person is arrested, Black men are (according to the stats posted above) less likely to die in police custody than white men.

Correct BlackKite apologies for missing that one out.

So perhaps we need to look at the cause of why more black people are arrested per population average?

The inequalities they face may lead to an increase of criminal behaviour. These could be but are not exhaustive, low socio economic backgrounds, poor education and "broken families" . Intergenerational offending is also a factor in high arrests and incarceration of black men.

This is a very very personal and emotive subject for me, so I am desperately trying not to say too much on it and let my emotions run away from the logic 💐 I hope you understand.

@happinessischocolate

Where and heightened risk when compared to who? In the UK white men have a 25% greater risk of dying in custody. In the past ten years 140 white people died and 13 black people.

@Hearhoovesthinkzebras
How do you calculate 25%? White people make up 86% of the population and 85% of custody deaths, but black people only make up 3% of the population yet they are 8% of the custody deaths.

That was the conclusion of the report that was linked.

So perhaps we need to look at the cause of why more black people are arrested per population average?

I'm in complete agreement (and in agreement with your next paragraph).

Yes, I understand.

@CoachBombay

Correct BlackKite apologies for missing that one out.

So perhaps we need to look at the cause of why more black people are arrested per population average?

The inequalities they face may lead to an increase of criminal behaviour. These could be but are not exhaustive, low socio economic backgrounds, poor education and "broken families" . Intergenerational offending is also a factor in high arrests and incarceration of black men.

This is a very very personal and emotive subject for me, so I am desperately trying not to say too much on it and let my emotions run away from the logic 💐 I hope you understand.

And that was a point I was trying to make.

If more black men commit more crime then it's right that they are arrested.

The reasons why they commit crime in the first place are what need to be addressed.

But, apparently I can't express that view because I'm white.

To describe someone's experience of being targeted for child sexual exploitation by a grooming gang as a 'tiny grievance' and to mock them as 'ridiculous' as you did in your original post is truly despicable behaviour.

You should be ashamed of yourself, OP.

But, apparently I can't express that view because I'm white.

Imagine expressing views for hundreds of years and never being listened to

[quote PatricksRum]@Abbccc I asked you to point out where I've been picky about words. You're yet to respond.[/quote]
You did, but I don't have time nor do I want to go through the thread to find those examples. However, .I just gave you an example right there.

You haven't replied to all my questions either btw. Never mind.

To describe someone's experience of being targeted for child sexual exploitation by a grooming gang as a 'tiny grievance' and to mock them as 'ridiculous' as you did in your original post is truly despicable behaviour.
I didn't.
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You should be ashamed of yourself, OP.*
I'm not.

@garino True. But it worked, because lots of white people like yourself have responded. Had she directed the wording at black people in the title , most of you wouldn’t have bothered even looking.

You did, but I don't have time nor do I want to go through the thread to find those examples. However, .I just gave you an example right there.
Don't engage then.*

You haven't replied to all my questions either btw. Never mind.*
Too right.

Hear no more white men commit crimes than black men. Fact.

More white men are arrested than black men. Fact.

What we need to look at is compared to their population size, why a larger percentage of black men commit crimes compared to the percentage of white men in a population.

Does that make sense? And you can express that to me regardless of your colour hear I am listening 💐

@Zhuleva

OP you are incredibly patronising telling people what their "duty" is. I'll decide what my duty is, thanks very much. And no, I'm not racist - I'm anti-racist. I just don't like someone barking instructions at me when I'm trying to help.

That sounds rather like white fragility to me. If it doesn't apply to you because you don't feel racist, then why even bother responding?