You're white you haven't experienced racism 2 *title amended by MNHQ at OP's request*

[PatricksRum]

I started a thread in the early hours.

I fell asleep
I've checked the thread and it's full.

Whilst the thread sadly proves my OP, there were a lot of great posts and understanding by some MNers.

I think this discussion is so important and I'd like to continue.

These photos sum up the ridiculous responses.

Do not tell me I am doing my oppressed race a disservice
Your racial prejudice faced as a white person do not trump the daily racism and fear for our lives

Finally, if your response to this is to explain your tiny grievances of racial prejudices you've faced then you are wholly part of the problem.

The racist behaviours and thoughts by your people is the problem. It is your duty to understand and tackle it. I repeat, it is not the duty of black people to educate you.

You think for eg that when a judge hands down a judgement that feelings are involved?

A shocking fact in the film 13th is that 97% of prisoners in the USA have never had a trial. Their system of the prosecution offering a low sentence of say 3 years versus a risk of 30 years if it goes to trial means 97% accept the plea bargain.

This applies to whites and blacks, but when you hear about the huge amount of blacks aged 16-25 in prison it shows how they suffer for the racist discrimination of the police.

Plea bargaining is often offered in the UK too

OP is not on a religious conversion mission. She does not need to pander to white people's feelings. Stop telling her how to be. I'll tell you how to be instead. Focus on the real issue here. Unarmed black men being murdered. White supremacy.

what a horrible response. I get now why people call for education. Tap out on the argument, you have nothing worthwhile to add.*

I literally have no understanding on how this is horrible. Please explain to me.
Is it that you feel uncomfortable with the idea of white supremecy?

@NotNowPlzz your comment now please on how being catholic is different in Northern Ireland for 800 years and how they are just the fine now today.

@PatricksRun, because particular whites hate other whites, irredeemably.

I’ve heard quite a few radio phone-ins this week about the Black lives matter protests. There seemed to be a common theme that black people felt that they were perceived as threatening and suffered lots of racist incidents such as other people crossing the road to avoid them, reporting them to the police for not a lot, clutching their bags tight (basically making assumptions that they might be criminals). I just wondered where other races fit into this? Is this movement purely about how black people are treated by white people, how anyone black is treated by anyone else or is it about how anyone non-white is treated by white people? Unfortunately there is racism out there against BAME people (recently there has been an increase in racism against Chinese people with racists using coronavirus as an excuse).

and we hate being tarred with a white privilege brush because 'they' think we are scum

and we hate being tarred as we are white privelige because race wise we have never ever been afforded that privilege.

@NotNowPlzz your comment now please on how being catholic is different in Northern Ireland for 800 years and how they are just the fine now today.

No. It isn't about Catholics.

and we hate being tarred as we are white privelige because race wise we have never ever been afforded that privilege.

In what way aren't you white privileged?

Is this movement purely about how black people are treated by white people,
Yes
how anyone black is treated by anyone else or is it about how anyone non-white is treated by white people?
No.
Unfortunately there is racism out there against BAME people (recently there has been an increase in racism against Chinese people with racists using coronavirus as an excuse).
We know.

Increasing education opportunities would seem critical, in the USA your school budget is basically raised by your local area so poor black ( and Latino) areas have poorly funded schools.
Lack of education leads to lack of choices in further education and jobs.
It keeps poor areas poor.
I was a social worker in the UK and do something court related in UK, pretty much the only dc in care in my city are black. It is completely out of proportion to the overall numbers, this leads onto prison numbers.
Crime rates, gangs and shootings are very high in poor black areas so the trauma dc experience is also very high.
It would be really positive if a clear, focused agenda could be created for everyone to work on.

You don't seem to understand (or be willing to acknowledge) that perception of police (or even public) is the start of a chain of consequences that looks v different for people of colour than it does for white people.

literally in australia it still is job going - no dogs no Irish - the colour has been removed, really unacceptable, but sure the Irish laugh and drink and will be fine with it. But don't deny solidarity by skin colour or let loose on a forum like you have; always gather who you can and explain over and over and over if needs be.

literally in australia it still is job going - no dogs no Irish - the colour has been removed, really unacceptable, but sure the Irish laugh and drink and will be fine with it. But don't deny solidarity by skin colour or let loose on a forum like you have; always gather who you can and explain over and over and over if needs be.
Unacceptable. Nothing to do with this thread or our movement. Irrelevant.

@PatricksRum

By definition, ascribing an action belief or anything else to a whole group based solely on race is racist. You can't rewrite a definition just because it doesn't fit your narrative.

There are significant issues in policing in the USA and the way that the police often interact with African Americans.
I do think that it isn't a standalone issue, it seems to me to be more a manifestation of deeper systemic issues.
I wonder if having a much larger African American middle class with much better opportunities would help address the issue.
Where I live even if the police stopped killing black men the impact of centuries of racist policies would still impact the communities.
It is a basic starting point but it seems a very limited goal.

especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
We aren't superior to you. You are at the top of the hierachy.
I'm not rewriting anything.

I think you will find that she can do anything she wants. After all it's her thread, Her thread, her rules.

I want more for the dc I work with than the police won't kill them, they have a right to more than this.

".Irrelevant."

if this is how you choose to communicate, I'll have to leave this thread alone. It is sad, you are a person with a good side and an angry side. Mellow the middle and you might be able but you are reallly emotional and inarticulate now. And we wonder why...

if this is how you choose to communicate, I'll have to leave this thread alone.
Seeya

It is sad, you are a person with a good side and an angry side.
Most people have this.

Mellow the middle and you might be able but you are reallly emotional and inarticulate now. And we wonder why...
I don't need to. Saying the prejudice Irish face is unacceptable but irrelevant is anything but emotional and inarticulate.

@Patricksrum

I assume you're talking to me in your last post? I'm not white, I'm Indian for one, I'm not at the top of them hierarchy'.

That's especially so, not exclusively so.

Also you are saying all white people are morally inferior just for being white.

Read the whole definition, don't pick the parts out out of context to fit your agenda.

Black people experience far far worse racism than white people. That doesn't mean white people don't experience it at all. One persons horrific experience doesn't erase or negate another 'just bad' experience. Does the horrific experience deserve more attention? Absolutely. But it can get this without trying to claim the other 'just bad' experience never happened.

The racism white people don't experience in the west is systematic, entrenched in society racism, that is exclusive to BAME people. If you said that you'd be absolutely correct and everyone would agree with you.

Bingo Straw.

Also worth remembering that this is predominantly an audience of women, of all colours, many brought here specifically because they don't feel empowered or able to influence the shit that buggers up their lives.

I don't think OP is concerned with the AME , just the B.

That said, I'm all for 'giving the conch' to BLM. There are much too few opportunities for them to make real impact and this is definitely one when they can. I will not be distracted by riot PR, agitators, etc.

Good luck ladies and gents ❤️