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I don't think I am BU with my view on Black Lives Matter?

166 replies

doglover65 · 04/06/2020 12:11

I am an active social media user and since the BLM movement gained more momentum I began posting more and only about this.

I will preface this by saying I am mixed race - my mum is white British, my dad was born in Kenya although my heritage is mixed that side, not African. My dad came to the UK (granted citizenship following my Grandad's service in the RAF) and was raised British despite his dark skin - he has no cultural aspects beyond a few specific dishes he can cook relating to his heritage. He was encouraged to fit in and therefore different cultures were discouraged to protect him. I am completely British in every way I act. I suppose for me, growing up, I have been very confused.

I remember the day I realised I wasn't white, I was sat in front of my mirror in my bedroom and was so upset - I hated my dad for it. I have only suffered a small amount of obvious abuse such as being name called a 'paki' but I also represent the current 'ideal' look - I am olive skinned, I have dark British textured hair, I speak very Southern British, and I tan easily. So there's always been a conflict, in some ways people idealise my skin colour but I have also felt a disassociation with my culture. I've witnessed my dad being called the 'n' word in our Home Counties town. I've realised people did treat me differently growing up.

So when I educated myself more on BLM over the past few years - I felt so upset. Whilst I cannot truly understand what black people have gone through, I have still experienced racism in the UK and always been dismissed when I spoke up.

Now that this movement has gained voice I made a statement on social media that silence is a form of compliance - I truly believe this. I suppose I have a few reasons and there are caveats:

  • my friends who are also active on social media - who must be to have seen me post my point about silence - were happy to post donation links and information on Run 5, Donate 5, Nominate 5 for NHS.
  • they are happy to share stories /posts about bikinis, competitions, make up etc.
  • they often send funny memes
  • why would you stay quiet? if you're reading things, why not share how useful they are for others, or at least the donation link.

This has caused an issue with two people (or those who have been vocal) both white and extremely privileged (parents own million pound houses, bought them their first house). The first is the fiance of my best friend - he is an absolutely terrible person regardless (if she posted on here people would tell her to run. he wants to come on my hen do to monitor her!) so I just responded reasonably and we agreed to disagree.

The second was my best friend. I said to her why I felt the way I do and she said she just disagrees. We left it as I didn't want to argue. But when I shared another BLM post she sent me the rolling eyes emoji, I thought this was just rude now. She said she doesn't agree with the post.

Now AIBU to feel the way I do? I am so confused now about my friendship.

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ravensoaponarope · 04/06/2020 22:23

Not everyone uses social media for activism.
In real life, if I witness racist comments or actions I call them out. My white privilege and living where I do means it is safe for me to do so.
I have posted nothing about Black Lives Matter on fb except I think I may have shared a local protest event details. This is because everyone on my friends list knows that Black Lives Matter and knows that racism is abhorrent.
If I posted anything about it, it would look like I'm virtue signalling and would change nothing.

doglover65 · 04/06/2020 22:34

I can tell that some of my posts have been unread by the fact that people are still saying "I'm talking about it in real life but don't post on social media". I'm just tired of explaining myself over and over again.

My post was that silence IN GENERAL is compliance. I do think that if you're using social media and posting when there is so much going on it's weird and rude and shady. And that's just how it looks. So I think either post nothing or show your support. I don't care about your fancy lunch.

The friend reached out and said she was frustrated and apologised. I explained my perspective to which she took on board and understood.

Then I read a post about how BLM is Anarchy and George Floyd is a criminal so why should anyone care about him.

It's truly exhausting.

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CoconutBreath · 04/06/2020 22:35

Nope sorry, the eye roll is disgusting. How dare she?

doglover65 · 04/06/2020 22:35

@ravensoaponarope so what you've done is exactly what I'd love people to do. So in essence, you've behaved great in reference to my post

Thank you.

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doglover65 · 04/06/2020 22:36

@StartingGrid cool. So read the full thread.

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TheFencePainter · 04/06/2020 22:38

I am glad you sorted it out with your friend but still YABU about people's SM.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 04/06/2020 23:24

I do think that if you're using social media and posting when there is so much going on it's weird and rude and shady. And that's just how it looks. So I think either post nothing or show your support. I don't care about your fancy lunch.

But other people feel differently to you. So people couldn't post about, say Corona virus, because your main concern is BLM? Or they can't post about cancer awareness if that is affecting them now?

MrFaceyRomford · 05/06/2020 00:28

I think a number of people (me included) do NOT see SM as a place for serious discussion. We go there for amusement and to have a laugh. I have unfriended a number of people on FB who see it as a political talking shop. Fine if you want that, but I don't. BTW silence on FB or any other SM is not a form of compliance.

Bouledeneige · 05/06/2020 00:38

I care deeply that Black Lives Matter. I have campaigned and demonstrated all my life for equality and against discrimination. I'm 57. I have said nothing on social media. My feelings are too deeply felt for a bland statement on social media. A black square or a meme. But Im marching on Saturday. Lots of people who care not a jot in their real lives will post on social media just as much as they would about anything that is current, don't be fooled by display - it says nothing about the values people live by and will stand by.

Be bold, be brave, be beautiful. I'm glad you felt proud of your heritage. The world needs to change and we need to stand together.

famousforwrongreason · 05/06/2020 04:42

I'm mixed race too op, white and black Caribbean, I look predominantly white and have similar sound g looks to you.
I have experienced racism all my life and seen it more with my more black family members.
I struggle to identify as British and people have a really hard time with that and even family members have put me down for not looking black enough.

I find this whole thing as upsetting as everyone else, heartbreaking. but also find it hard to find a place and have experienced the rolling eye thing too.

famousforwrongreason · 05/06/2020 04:43

In response to a pp: I am very happy when people 'unfriend' me for my political posts. The rubbish takes itself out.

Casino218 · 05/06/2020 04:50

If I have something important to say on an issue I use Twitter. Facebook is not a place I would do it. Although I do have a FB account I find people rarely engage in any meaningful way on it or have any kind of reasoned argument. Basically it attracts the idiots.

ShirleyPhallus · 05/06/2020 05:28

It’s not up to you to dictate others SM presence. If you don’t care about someone’s fancy lunch then don’t follow them,

I care deeply about the BLM movement but also respect the choices of each individual whether to post about it or not

thatmustbenigelwiththebrie · 05/06/2020 06:08

I think YABU.

I haven't posted anything re BLM because I haven't posted anything on my social media for about 10 years and am not about to start now.

Some people aren't into sharing and liking and all that stuff.

What's more, you can't expect your friends to share your opinions and values to the letter. What's important to you may not be to them (or AS important, anyway) and that's fine, it's life.

1300cakes · 05/06/2020 06:14

White silence is compliance with racism.
But...
White person speaking out creates a “white savour” problem.

I'm white and I think I'd seem a racist idiot to be posting my views on sm, as if I think I'm so smart informing my friends (including BAME friends) all about racism. Like they don't know! Like they want to hear my opinions over their own, other BAME people, and respected scholars/activists/journalists.

I'd also be wary of sharing articles about the USA right now, because it makes it seem like I'm critisizing the USA without realising the same thing is going on here (in fact I do realise this and am horrified by it).

Wecandothis99 · 05/06/2020 06:22

I havnt written anything on social media about it and I think your opinion on that is a little high and mighty if I'm honest. Not your views on BLM, the fact you think you have to say something on SM about it. SM isn't real, it's full of people saying stuff for likes and loses its impact when a lot of people have no clue why they're talking about. I'll discuss with my family/ friends but it's not compulsory to discuss on social media!

expat101 · 05/06/2020 06:28

I agree with the poster above, I also don’t see social media as a place to host serious discussion. If your friend likes to post what they had for lunch, then that’s their right to do as they wish on their platform, scroll on by....

What I do have a problem with, is anyone being judged because of the colour of their skin! And people of all colours are equally guilty of that!

Am I going to discuss it on my sm page, nope.

Wecandothis99 · 05/06/2020 06:30

On blackout Tuesday morning I posted a picture of my family from the day before and got abuse as I hadn't heard anything about the blackout Tuesday thing and only noticed after I was directed to it. I just find it sad that social media seems to have its own laws made up by influencers and the like and if you just want to go on there to post a pic of your family every now and again and not get involved in debates and news articles then you're in the wrong. I didn't take it down as I refuse to be bullied by holier than thou sheep!

Ducksarenotmyfriends · 05/06/2020 06:42

Op, sorry about the countless people who haven't bothered reading your other posts and are fixated on the sm thing...

Sorry about your bf too who doesn't 'believe' in the blm movement. People need to be speaking out about racism everywhere, it's not enough to just not be racist (or at least think that we're not, especially without acknowledging how insidious systemic racism is) we need to be actively anti racist. I've been trying to discuss blm with other white people online who don't get it and are posting "all lives matter" etc because we need to be actively challenging people about this and not be silent any more.

Trevsadick · 05/06/2020 07:12

Op I am reading and I understand when yoi say silence you don't just mean SM.

But you also said I do think that if you're using social media and posting when there is so much going on it's weird and rude and shady

You can not decide that no one else can use social media unless it about this issue. Lots of the side of my famiky that is bame are posting lots of normal things to. Are they shady and weird?

When can white peoole start using social media for its usual use?

This is obviously really impacting you. And I do understand. I have suffered some traumas in my life and I remember feeling resentful of people getting on with their normal lives. I hated that the world was still turning.

People can care about this, care deeply, but still be living their normal lives while still caring.

expat101 · 05/06/2020 07:28

So who determines what Or who a white person is? Colour of skin?

Racism right there !

TeacupDrama · 05/06/2020 07:31

Loads of people only use SM for friends or family stuff so they might post a picture of yesterdays sunset but nothing on BLM I don't forward anything in any way political or charity, I don't forward or share stuff on BLM or mental health or NHS heroes or poppy borders or covid or breast cancer HIV Brexit or child slavery or misogyny. I care about most of these issues but my refusal to share doesn't mean compliance in any of them, to be honest most people sharing memes do very little except share memes a lot of it is virtue signally to look woke or something

Thisbastardcomputer · 05/06/2020 07:42

I'm white, I haven't commented on BLM, the reason - well I always thought they did matter, before any of this kicked off. There is no way I think of myself or other whites as superior to black, brown, yellow or anything else.

justilou1 · 05/06/2020 07:51

I live in another country and am white. I am very frustrated that nearly everyone I know (who genuinely mean well, of course...) are finding it easier to identify with the American BLM movement, but are still turning a blind eye to the atrocious human rights conditions (which mostly includes BLM issues) here. I am sharing information regarding this and getting eye-rolls a from the same people sharing BLM info from America as though it is an entirely separate subject.

LakieLady · 05/06/2020 08:24

Staying silent achieves nothing, and imo white people have a role to play in making it clear to racist white people that it is not acceptable, or explaining how the power structures established by white people disadvantage BAME people.

It's too easy to regard racial equality as something that only matters to black people, it marginalises it for the white majority.