All lives matter

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I’ve disabled voting because today has been a lot already! I can’t deal with seeing another such stark display in % or how few people support BLM.
Is there a black Mumsnet section? I could do with somewhere to discuss race with other BAME people and Allies that doesn’t get hijacked with

•all lives matter
•what about...
•I’m oppressed too
•white people are suffering as well
•if black people would just...

Happy to hear suggestions for other forums as well. I don’t think Mumsnet is standing against racism, so i’m happy to flounce to get what I need. Which certainly isn’t the silencing of black voices whilst overt racism goes unchecked!

Hi Justine 👋 and fuck off Karen!

Karen's not racist SHe hAs BlAck NeIGhboURS
Sorry for the sarcasm but we could do with a laugh lol

She’s directing the same tone and anger at me. Either she doesn’t know I’m white or that anger and entitlement is directed at everyone who disagrees that her feelings should be centred.

@MamaLion1319

OP I'm sorry your thread has turned into this, I feel your exhaustion, I feel your pain. Every time one of us speak we are shut down, what hope is there, despite the protests and the news coverage and the discussions on social media, Karen's feelings take centre stage.

This. It's sadly so true and unfortunately this thread is typical of Mumsnet. I don't think a BAME section would help because the ones (like many on this thread) who actually need educating wouldn't even use it. It'd just create t a divide on Mumsnet.

@MagicKingdomDizzy you demanded to be heard over the repeatedly silenced. Glad you feel good about that. You couldn't just sit with your feelings for once. No everybody has to respect your feelings over 400 years of ours being oppressed. Lovely

@TheHoneyBadger

She’s directing the same tone and anger at me. Either she doesn’t know I’m white or that anger and entitlement is directed at everyone who disagrees that her feelings should be centred.

Are you directing this at me? I have actually been agreeing with you.

FFS, people are hurting! The steer of this thread is undermining this simple truth.
Listen to the emotional reproach by American football player Malcom Jenkins of his team mate Drew Brees who was more concerned about the American flag being disrespected during national anthems than BLM issues.
twitter.com/MalcolmJenkins/status/1268315207299981312
Can we get a sense of perspective please?

No not at you

You said I have been heard, and I said I appreciated it and thanks. None of that is to do with being white, it's about being courteous.

Nope I never said that so please don't thank you. And yes it's everything to do with you being white as your privaledge is showing so much.

Phew, that's a relief! @TheHoneyBadger

Anyone else get the vibe that Karen would be the type to clutch her handbag if your black teenager walked past her on the street?

Ahh ignore the wink was meant to be ha

It might be possible to accept that Karen was an unhelpful ending to an otherwise valid OP and actually focus on what are really significant issues?

There are issues with structural racism in the UK as well as the USA but from my personal observations of both countries they are a different magnitude in the USA.
The two countries have different history and also structure their funding for social needs in a very different way leading to deeper structural problems in the USA.

I also think that picture of unacceptable protests in the USA is an over simplification. There is a substantial minority for whom no protests will be acceptable because they are fundamentally content with the unequal current divisions.
But I would suggest there is a much larger group, who voted for Obama who are looking for positive change but don't want rioting or looting in their communities.
There are no easy or quick solutions to the deep structural issues but the police violence is a result of them rather than an easily fixed standalone issue.

I'll leave. I'm obviously upsetting you at a clearly very emotional time.

I challenge misogyny when I see it, so I did that today. But I don't wish to derail the thread further. I don't want Mumsnet to delete it in case others want to use it for discussion.

@MagicKingdomDizzy bye Felicia

MamaLion don't even talk about black teenagers. I once walked in to a nice shoe store in which there was only an older white couple and as soon as I did I overhead the woman saying to the man to keep an eye on their shopping bags. I must have been looking pretty shabby that day .

"overheard"

I can now understand how exhausting it must be trying to explain things and why some people give up talking about race with white people.

I’ve also realised some elements of why there is a divide in feminism. From my own white feminist perspective I found it so frustrating that women couldn’t just be united and see the big fight as being against patriarchy and that being the enemy not each other. I naively thought it could just be women together.

Black Women have other fish to fry that are affecting them and their sons and their brothers viscerally in the hear and now.

We share some experiences as women but whether you were male or female your primary oppression would be due to the colour of your skin.

If I’ve got that wrong or you see it differently ladies please tell me. I must be dim as fuck but I’m only really properly feeling it recently. I think before I was just hurting about rifts between women and holding onto the naive hope that it was easy fixed. In reality it’s huge.

Karen wasnt initially used as a sexist term. It was used as a way of labelling racist white women who would look down on black people or call police on them for no reason. By claiming its misyongy you are dismissing the original meaning behind the phrase and turning the thread into "whataboutery"

@maggiethecat oh I believe you! Many times have I been followed around shops. I have lived in my area for 5 years and the same elderly white lady crosses the road when she sees me and looks at my babies as if they're feral!
Now I love being in my scruffs but most time she sees me I'm about to go to work, in social care! Hardly going to mug her in my pinafore dress. I suppose she thinks she'll catch the black off me LOL

As far as the ‘all lives matter’ posters go in assume that they’re the same people who think the world needs Straight Pride or A Men’s Rights movement. I.e. arseholes
Who can’t see past their own noses.

But case in point there. I spend a lot of time in my scruffs but no one has done that to me since i was a kid with ‘interesting’ hair and facial piercings.

Don’t goad them into coming back monty!!

God forbid that you should ever end up being her carer! Would do the poor old girl in.

We need protest songs. Where the fuck is music at these days? Please someone point me in the right direction if I’m just missing it.