To be absolutely fucking livid

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I'm just feeling so pissed off with the British public right now. Seeing the news stories of people crammed onto beaches, stuck in traffic jams, stupid bloody tombstoners, people queuing for 3 hours plus to get into Ikea, nobody wearing masks, tourists crapping in hedges and leaving all their rubbish behind in my beautiful village - what is wrong with people?!

I realise that Coronavirus may not be as dangerous as it first appeared but it is still here, it's still killing 100's of people a day, it's still bad news for anyone overwight, over 50 or with underlying health conditions.

All these people behaving as if it's "gone away". It hasn't!

I'm livid that the government acted too little too late. We didn't close our borders, we haven't got a proper track and trace in place. We look like idiots. Now they are saying oh it's fine to have BBQ's but bring your own ketchup - for goodness sake!

I do think lockdown should be tentatively eased - as a self employed person I've been happy to start to go back to work but I'm being so so careful with hygiene and social distancing. Baby steps. I also do think people should be able to go out for a walk or see relatives so long as social distancing. But there seems to be a general mood of oh it's fine we can all just go back to normal - in fact worse than normal, let's all crowd together and have a big old party!

I'm afraid there will be a second wave due to all this irresponsible behaviour and that we will need to go back to full lockdown, putting businesses and people's health in jeopardy. I'm worried that my daughter won't be able to start uni in September. I'm worried that my neices who are doctors will have to deal with the fall out from all this. I'm worried my husband will be unable to get another job. I'm scared and depressed.

And all these fuckers ignoring social distancing are just taking risks with their own lives and everybody elses - when they visit a beach resort or other tourist place they use the toilets, use the cashpoints, visit the supermarkets or corner shop - all prime places to spread the virus far and wide.

I just don't think the message to be careful has been hammered home hard enough.

@QuestionMarkNow the police shouldn't be fining people over the 2m rule aa that isn't part of the legislation, only the guidance. They Don rhave the legal power to enforce 2m.

Also, sociologically speaking there is no such thing as common sense. There isn't a set of unchanging rules or ways of behaving that make more sense than others, except culturally, generationally, socially. One person's common sense wouldn't necessarily translate to another person in a different context. What you mean is "what I consider to be the right way to behave".

Can you blame people for deciding that they may be the best guardians of their own health and ignoring the rules?
I wouldn't blame them for deciding they are at risk and they should be more cautious than the advice given, but I definitely do blame them for ignoring advice which is very obviously in their best interests.

Yes, the 2m rule is not the law. Always go back again and again to the regulations . The latest changes to them from 1 June are here www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/558/regulation/2/made

But why shouldn't they if they are respecting the 2 metres social distancing and generally following the lockdown rules?

The point was 'they lose their heads' i.e. the people who don't follow the rules.

@Toptotoeunicolour

Can you blame people for deciding that they may be the best guardians of their own health and ignoring the rules? I wouldn't blame them for deciding they are at risk and they should be more cautious than the advice given, but I definitely do blame them for ignoring advice which is very obviously in their best interests.

Advice like 'eat only 2000 calories a day' or 'don't exceed 14 units of alcohol a week' or 'do four hours of vigorous exercise a week'?

Do you blame all these people too?

I'm really in the middle on this. I'm not denying the virus exists and can be devastating, however I do think we need to learn to live with the risk. It may well be too soon right now, but at some stage it will be needed, probably in the near future. Fwiw, my DS was shielded (isn't any more - different story), so our entire family has not been anywhere since middle of March until last weekend, and I'm also pregnant, but I'm actually quite comfortable with the thought of getting back out there. Because of DS health, we are very used to living live and managing very real risks to health, and we've had to still be part of society regardless. I don't think anyone knows the whole picture or what is right. Time will tell.

No one is invincible from anything. We live surrounded by risks.

People have assessed the corona virus as one of the many risks we face, and determined that for many of us, the risk is very low and does not warrant the extreme lockdown we have suffered.

Hundreds thousands? of people are killed by obesity related causes every year, but try & make people lose weight and you will be anihiliated for fat shaming.

Agree Hallowtalk

*Remember the original milestone - to give the NHS the time to prepare.

I'm always surprised that people are so quick to trivialise a normal human life outside of lockdown as 'wanting a piss up' or similar. Is that really how you see it?

And what's wrong with wanting a piss up, anyway?*

But if we go back to normal too soon, we risk triggering another spike? Then we're back at square one and the NHS is stressed again.

I haven't trivialised wanting a normal life. I was extremely worried about the longterm effects of lockdown on my daughter and she returned to nursery yesterday and was very excited to do so. I've also said it's great that people can go out and need to get out/see family etc. but why should people throw caution to the wind?

Have a piss up if you want one, in a garden or outside space 2m away from the people who aren't in your household.

You'll probably win, OP.
The very fearful people and mood seems to be in charge.
Those of us who can live with lots of risk in life but don't have energy to get emotional about what's happening (not in a sustained way, anyway): we'll lose.

The most emotional person wins, so I can't blame you for employing a winning strategy, even if I think your views are completely irrational & this is all uncalled for, unacceptably damaging by the end, and an OTT way to live or decide anything.

I think you've soaked up too much information from all the different media outlets and it has become overwhelming for you.

Maybe step away from all media, and centre yourself on a day to day existence. It helps to be "mindful" at the moment to stop your emotions, anxiety and anger spiralling out of control.

That's how I'm dealing with it. I recognise everything you've described, that was me. But after doing some work on myself, it seems to be helping.

I think that if it was as dangerous as it’s made out to be, those “in the know” would be following the rules because they presumably don’t want to catch it any more than anyone else does.

The fact that Cummings et al aren’t following the rules tells me that it isn’t as dangerous as it’s been made out to be so I’m going to follow their example.

This was one of the reasons why I didn’t fully follow the shielding guidelines. When I was going out for walks, regardless of the time, social distancing was easier.

What did people think was going to happen? Once restrictions started lifting, millions would hide behind their doors.

Once meet in groups of 6 it told them it’s ok to mix. Even the face mask makes no sense - don’t wear in some stores, some offices, but not in other buildings. Never mind the foolish nanny, cleaner, parent nonsense.

I had the virus. Had it before it was advised I should stay at home until June 15th. I self isolated etc. Anybody who had to get close to me has no symptoms and were doing our own little bubble just in case.

I want people outside and enjoying themselves so I can. I need things fully opened like toilets, and until they are my movements are restricted to my local area. I need to be out in the sun. But knowing my luck by the time things start to open properly I will be on meds that don’t mix with the sun

Well it is Darwinism.in action...(sorry if that sounds harsh...i am horrified by the way the vulnerable have been affected.)
It is the crapping on beaches and litter that gets to me too.

*Advice like 'eat only 2000 calories a day' or 'don't exceed 14 units of alcohol a week' or 'do four hours of vigorous exercise a week'?

Do you blame all these people too?*

They're not putting other peoples lives at risk

@CheerfuIPotato

I think that if it was as dangerous as it’s made out to be, those “in the know” would be following the rules because they presumably don’t want to catch it any more than anyone else does.

The fact that Cummings et al aren’t following the rules tells me that it isn’t as dangerous as it’s been made out to be so I’m going to follow their example.

Our own Prime Minister was at deaths door from it on an ICU bed and still seems under the weather

@CheerfuIPotato

I think that if it was as dangerous as it’s made out to be, those “in the know” would be following the rules because they presumably don’t want to catch it any more than anyone else does.

The fact that Cummings et al aren’t following the rules tells me that it isn’t as dangerous as it’s been made out to be so I’m going to follow their example.

Actually, most of them have already had it, so they have nothing to lose. Screw the rest of us.

Stop blaming the government for cretins who are ignoring basic hygiene rules that would apply even without the virus .

It’s just ridiculous that people will pretend not to know what 2 metres is . And the rules have not been ambiguous it’s just that people don’t listen or don’t go to the government website to check before posting inane questions .

Employers have strict guidelines to follow and health and safety risk assesments and if any of our employees come in and act in the same way that some have at the weekend then they won’t be tolerated.

The main mistake the government made was to over estimate the intelligence of a section of the british public .

@cheerfulpotato

This argument just does not wash . It’s apathetic excuse just to be selfish .

He did not break social distancing rules . He did not shit on a beach or jump off Durdle door and tie up the emergency’s services . He did not even mix households and he did have a vunerable child .i think a lot of us are bored with people using that argument just to be selfish .

Lemmings springs to mind.

The main mistake the government made was to over estimate the intelligence of a section of the british public .

That's a pretty big mistake though. You have to consider human behaviour when you make these decisions. They must have known what would happen when they decided to let people travel freely.

I guess we will see if there was a need for lockdown depending on how the public are in 2-3 weeks.

It's crazy isn't it ? we have a country park on the edge of our village with lakes and over the weekend there have been huge gatherings of people having some kind of baptism in the lake. There were hundreds of them.

@SusieOwl4 the current guidelines are very ambiguous and difficult to interpret. I have a degree and an MA, as well as professional qualifications and I have had to read several times and discuss with a few people to see if my interpretation matches theirs.

And as I said before 1 in 4 adults in the UK is functionally illiterate. Don't use the term "cretin" it is very offensive.

yawn

These hypocritical faux outrage threads are all so tedious and repetitive. Get a life.

That's a scary statistic breathless.

I think people suit themselves regardless and do know what is sensible